Jim Chaney and the first shot timing

[Royell Storing]

According to this analysis, DPD Chaney is unaware JFK or JBC were ever struck by the first bullet. Despite the fact DPD Chaney is seen staring at them in the Altgen's photo.

In Altgens’ photo we see Chaney’s head in profile. This necessarily means that his head is pointed about 90-degrees from the camera. Here’s a crop of the photo:




Now let’s take a look at the relative positions of Chaney and JFK/JBC. Here is a crop of an image by Dale Myers that shows an overhead view of their positions at the time of the Altgens photo:



I drew the yellow and blue lines to indicate directions to the other two motorcycles on the left side of the limo (yellow line) and to JFK/JBC (blue line). Altgens’ position can be seen near the lower left corner of the image. I submit that if Chaney was “staring at JFK/JBC we would not be seeing his head in profile; instead Chaney would be looking more towards the camera. Therefore, it appears to me that Chaney was looking at what he told the FBI he was looking at just after the second shot.

      Do you really believe that the JFK Limo had traveled passed the Stemmons sign and reached  the Light Pole when Altgens snapped the Lovelady photo? Nope!

[Charles Collins]

      Do you really believe that the JFK Limo had traveled passed the Stemmons sign and reached  the Light Pole when Altgens snapped the Lovelady photo? Nope!

Here’s a wider view of where Dale Myers has it:

[Royell Storing]

Here’s a wider view of where Dale Myers has it:

  Thanks for posting the above "wide view".  Altgens clashed with the WC Attorney regarding his physical position on the (S) side of Elm. He did so based on the setting of his camera with respect to his distance from the JFK Limo when he snapped #6.   

[Steve Barber]

DPD motorcycle cop Jim Chaney was riding escort to the right side of the limo. He was the closest cop to JFK. Jim said that he thought the first shot was a motorcycle backfire. Jim Chaney said in a TV interview on 11/22/63 that he looked over at JFK right after he heard the shot and that JFK was looking towards his left shoulder. Here is a clip showing Chaney starting at Z136 through Z153. It appears to me that Chaney is turning his head to his left to look at JFK:





Meanwhile, JFK is shown in this clip during frames Z133 through Z154. JFK finishes fixing his hair and turns his head quickly towards his left shoulder. I would guess that he is checking on Jackie after hearing the first shot (which many folks thought to be a motorcycle backfire).

 Take a look at the National Archives copy of the Zapruder film.  James Chaney keeps his head facing straight ahead if you watch him until he disappears from Zapruder's view.  He never looks to his left at any time.

[Jack Nessan]

According to this analysis, DPD Chaney is unaware JFK or JBC were ever struck by the first bullet. Despite the fact DPD Chaney is seen staring at them in the Altgen's photo.

In Altgens’ photo we see Chaney’s head in profile. This necessarily means that his head is pointed about 90-degrees from the camera. Here’s a crop of the photo:




Now let’s take a look at the relative positions of Chaney and JFK/JBC. Here is a crop of an image by Dale Myers that shows an overhead view of their positions at the time of the Altgens photo:



I drew the yellow and blue lines to indicate directions to the other two motorcycles on the left side of the limo (yellow line) and to JFK/JBC (blue line). Altgens’ position can be seen near the lower left corner of the image. I submit that if Chaney was “staring at JFK/JBC we would not be seeing his head in profile; instead Chaney would be looking more towards the camera. Therefore, it appears to me that Chaney was looking at what he told the FBI he was looking at just after the second shot.

There are a number of problems with this picture and explanation. You have mixed up the fifth (1975 FBI) statement with the previous four statements given in the aftermath of the assassination with two completely different explanations of the shooting.

This is nothing more than what do you believe. 

Charles Collins:

“That is not what Chaney said. He said JFK appeared to be looking over his left shoulder. The only place we see anything of that nature is in the clip provided in the first post in this thread. It is from about the mid Z40s to mid Z150s.”
 
“I cannot believe that Chaney would describe JFK as looking over his left shoulder after he was shot around Z224. It should be obvious to anyone who sees the Zapruder film that at that point JFK was reacting to being shot. Chaney wouldn’t have left that part out.”

Neither of your two versions ever mentions the throat shot. Just the headshot. For the 1975 FBI version he just added an extra shot with no explanation.

Version one explanation has an early missed shot at Z145 followed by the headshot 

Version two explanation has DPD Chaney looking at DPD Hargis at Z256 instead of the wounded JFK and JBC. No mention of either JFK or JBC having been wounded which you have stated: “Chaney would not have left that part out”. But he did. Now just do the math. If the second shot or bullet is the headshot, what is the first shot or bullet?

Neither version ever mentions the throat shot. Just the headshot. Version two has an extra shot added with no explanation at all.

This new version now has DPD Chaney looking at DPD Hargis, at least in this new version based on Altgen’s photo at Z255. At this point JBC and JFK have reacted severely to having been wounded. 

The first shot and JFK and DPD Chaney heads turning left at Z145 has now been moved up to Z255 and after JFK and JBC have both been wounded which is what DPD Chaney is looking at.

[Charles Collins]

 Take a look at the National Archives copy of the Zapruder film.  James Chaney keeps his head facing straight ahead if you watch him until he disappears from Zapruder's view.  He never looks to his left at any time.

Have you seen the National Archives copy of the Zapruder film Steve? It is my understanding that that is a privilege that not many people get to have.

I won’t argue about the direction that his head faces. My impression that he turned his head to his left could definitely be wrong. However, I think that he could have glanced to his left using just the movement of his eyes. My opinion still is that Chaney’s description of JFK looking over his left shoulder just after the first loud bang that Chaney first thought was a motorcycle backfire is when JFK does just that around the mid Z140s to Z150s.

[Royell Storing]

  I believe you guys are choosing to avoid getting into what is obvious. The Zapruder Film and Altgens 6 do Not show the same thing. JFK Assassination Image conflict/alteration is Not a new issue in this case. You can Not veer away from it.