Were JFK and JBC both hit by CE-399 at Z-199?

[Tom Graves]

HSCA photo expert Cecil Kirk said at the mock trial that the fact that JFK's right arm is extended out and above in a straight-line in Z-199 suggests that he's just been shot.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z199.jpg

Then, of course, JFK disappears for more than a second behind the Stemmons Freeway sign.

In Z-222, however, we see John Connally, fully emerged from behind the sign, and he looks a bit unusual -- he's sitting "too upright," his right shoulder is lower than his left, and he's looking up at the sky.
https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg

It looks to me as though he's been hit in the back and pushed forward a bit.

Or was JFK just "saluting" the folks on the other side of Elm Street?

Comments?

[Michael T. Griffith]

Sigh. . . .

Again, for the umpteenth time:

-- We have known for at least 20 years that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point, which is why the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound.

-- Abundant photographic evidence proves that no bullet exited JFK's shirt slits, and that the tie knot could not have been nicked by any bullet exiting the shirt slits.

-- Connally himself, the guy who actually experienced the wounding, said he was certain he was not hit before Z229.

-- The JFK clothing holes prove the back wound was several inches below the throat wound.

-- The hit on JFK occurred at Z186-190, but even a hit at Z199 would not have suddenly visibly jolted him forward at Z226-232. The Z226-232 reaction is clearly an immediate response to the impact of a bullet.

-- Connally's back wound proves the bullet that made the wound was not severely yawing or traveling sideways, and the narrow wound tract through Connally's chest proves the same thing about the bullet's behavior as it passed through the chest. 

-- Repeated wound ballistics tests have invalidated the SBT and proved that no bullet could have done the alleged damage and emerged in CE 399's nearly pristine condition.

I have personally documented these facts many times in this forum, but you guys keep ignoring them and pretending that the SBT is valid. This is why we never get anywhere in this forum, because we have a bunch of people like you who continue to cling to absurd myths such as the SBT in spite of the many facts that refute them.

[Tom Graves]

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1) The two favorite words of every tin-foil hat JFKA conspiracy theorist are "clearly" and "obviously."

2) Martin J. Kelly, Jr., recently posted this at another forum:

"The autopsy report has the wound right at C7/T1 in its verbal description. The autopsy report tracks the path of the bullet through the body to the exit wound in the neck. JFK's elbows are raised indicating some disturbance at C6. HSCA studied X rays and saw effects well above the erroneous T3 written into the record by JFK's physician."

[Zeon Mason]

Yes it would appear to those with eyes to see that both JFK and JC were hit by the same bullet at Z223-Z225. ( MG the Expert CT and Andrew the Alternate LN must have different eyes than Tom the KGB expert and Zeon the Near sighted, because apparently they do not assign any significance to JCs right shoulder abruptly turning at Z225 as being caused by impact of a bullet .

Unless the Z film has been altered, which I cannot prove.
 
Or unless there is a 2nd shot fired past or over the right shoulder of JFK that hit JC in his back, about 0.5 sec after JFK was hit by a shot in his upper back at Z 210-Z223 . One of those shots would have to be a suppressed shot otherwise witnesses would have heard 2 shots at Z 223 as “back to back” followed by a 4.8 second silent delay before then hearing Z313. A pattern of 1.2…….3 which is totally opposite of what 2/3rds majority heard which is the 1…..2.3 pattern.

If a suppressed shot from 2nd shooter the scenario gets more complicated and one has to wonder why and how the suppressed shot and the loud MC rifle shot were fired nearly simultaneously.

It’s gets even more complex to explain a pre planned frame of Oswald that allowed him to wander around TSBD.

[Tom Graves]

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English, please.

[Benjamin Cole]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe when the CE-399 slug exited JBC's front chest, leaving a four-inch round ragged exit hole and expelling plenty of bone matter, the "jet-effect" pushed JBC back upright. The jet-effect!

Unaware he was injured, JBC then makes a 180-degree turn in his seat to look for JFK. Z-285.

Truth to tell, JBC looks uninjured at (blurry) Z-222, to my layman's eye. Unless one knows there has been gunshots, there is nothing odd about the way JBC looks. One can read anything into the way he looks.

Moviemakers know about this. If you have a close-up of an unemotional man's face, and the audience has just been informed the man has had a great loss or gain, the audience sees what they want in the man's face.

You think JBC is reacting to being grievously wounded at Z-222. Maybe so. He is sitting perfectly upright with no signs of distress. Maybe he is in a state of shock.

Maybe!

[Tom Graves]

Maybe. Maybe not.

Maybe when the CE-399 slug exited JBC's front chest, leaving a four-inch round ragged exit hole and expelling plenty of bone matter, the "jet-effect" pushed JBC back upright. The jet-effect!

Unaware he was injured, JBC then makes a 180-degree turn in his seat to look for JFK. Z-285.

Truth to tell, JBC looks uninjured at (blurry) Z-222, to my layman's eye. Unless one knows there has been gunshots, there is nothing odd about the way JBC looks. One can read anything into the way he looks.

Moviemakers know about this. If you have a close-up of an unemotional man's face, and the audience has just been informed the man has had a great loss or gain, the audience sees what they want in the man's face.

You think JBC is reacting to being grievously wounded at Z-222. Maybe so. He is sitting perfectly upright with no signs of distress. Maybe he is in a state of shock.

Maybe!

In Z-222, Connaly is sitting as though he's got a hot poker up his you-know-what, his right shoulder is lower than his left one, and he's staring at the sky.

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z222.jpg

Hey!

Maybe he was just reacting to your flash-bang show in Royell Storing's bushes!!!

[Benjamin Cole]

TG-

If you say so.

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