The First Shot

[Tom Graves]

Hickey isn’t looking BACK at TSBD until some time AFTER Z207.

Nor are the other SS agents in the follow up car.

It’s certain they all have turned (except Clint Hill) to look back at TSBD at Z255 (Altgens 6 photo).

If Andrew’s Z190 - Z195 1st shot theory is the correct one, then Clint Hill not starting  to jump from the car until Z255 in Altgens photo 6 would mean it took him  about 3 secs to react after HEARING the Z190ish shot.

But if there is a 1.5 sec delay of JFK reacting to the Z190 ish shot then Clint Hill who had his eyes focused on JFK would not SEE the effect of the Z190 shot on JFK until Z220-z224 thus Hill reacted to SEEING  the effect at Z224 in only about 1.5 secs.

But can it be established ( as Andrew proposed) that JFK at Z223-224 has already been hit 1.5 secs earlier and that his lurch forward and hands moving up AT Z223 is a delayed bodily reaction?

Can it be established from Clint Hills WC testimony (and or subsequent interviews years later) that he did NOT experience simultaneously hearing the 1st shot with seeing the effect of the shot causing JFKs lurch forward and hands grabbing his throat?

LOL!

You're so full of beans.

Why is Rosemary Willis looking back towards the TSBD in Z-145 instead of taking advantage of her once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to get a closeup view of JFK and Jackie?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z145.jpg

[Zeon Mason]

@Tom: that Z frame in your link has the Willis girl looking towards the JFK.

Any other other Z frames you want to post to prove Willis girl looks back to TSBD before Z190?

[Tom Graves]

@Tom: that Z frame in your link has the Willis girl looking towards the JFK.

Any other Z frames you want to post to prove Willis girl looks back to TSBD before Z190?

Point being?

Regardless, the point I'm making is that she was looking back at the TSBD before Z-145 because she was consciously reacting to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124."

[Jarrett Smith]

Hickey isn’t looking BACK at TSBD until some time AFTER Z207.

Nor are the other SS agents in the follow up car.

It’s certain they all have turned ( except Clint Hill) to look back at TSBD at Z255 (Altgens 6 photo).

If Andrew’s Z190 - Z195 1st shot theory is the correct one, then Clint Hill not starting  to jump from the car until Z255 in Altgens photo 6 would mean it took him  about 3 secs to react after HEARING the Z190ish shot.

But if there is a 1.5 sec delay of JFK reacting to the Z190 ish shot then Clint Hill who had his eyes focused on JFK would not SEE the effect of the Z190 shot on JFK until Z220-z224 thus Hill reacted to SEEING  the effect at Z224 in only about 1.5 secs.

But can it be established ( as Andrew proposed) that JFK at Z223-224 has already been hit 1.5 secs earlier and that his lurch forward and hands moving up AT Z223 is a delayed bodily reaction?

Can it be established from Clint Hills WC testimony (and or subsequent interviews years later) that he did NOT experience simultaneously hearing the 1st shot with seeing the effect of the shot causing JFKs lurch forward and hands grabbing his throat?

Clint Hill did not jump off the car till after JFK was shot in the head. His testimony to the WC was incorrect.

Mr. HILL. Well, as we came out of the curve, and began to straighten up, I was viewing the area which looked to be a park. There were people scattered throughout the entire park. And I heard a noise from my right rear, which to me seemed to be a firecracker. I immediately looked to my right and, in so doing, my eyes had to cross the Presidential limousine and I saw President Kennedy grab at himself and lurch forward and to the left.
Mr. SPECTER. Why don't you just proceed, in narrative form, to tell us?
Representative BOGGS. This was the first shot?
Mr. HILL. This is the first sound that I heard; yes, sir. I jumped from the car, realizing that something was wrong, ran to the Presidential limousine. Just about as I reached it, there was another sound, which was different than the first sound. I think I described it in my statement as though someone was shooting a revolver into a hard object--it seemed to have some type of an echo. I put my right foot, I believe it was, on the left rear step of the automobile, and I had a hold of the handgrip with my hand, when the car lurched forward. I lost my footing and I had to run about three or four more steps before I could get back up in the car.

[Zeon Mason]

Point being?

Regardless, the point I'm making is that she was looking back at the TSBD before Z-145 because she was consciously reacting to Oswald's first, missing-everything, shot at "Z-124."

Point  being that you have not proved your statement previous to your above post that Rosemary Willis was looking  back at TSBD at Z145.

Nor have you proved that Rosemary Willis was looking back at TSBD at Z124 nor that if she was,  that it was due to hearing a shot at Z124.

Now you might be able to find film footage showing more clearly  Rosemary Willis as she runs around the curved sidewalk at the corner of Elm st and Houston st. However, if  her head is  turned towards  TSBD , it was because she was keeping her eye on  the JFK limo as it turned the corner simultaneously as Willis was running around the curved sidewalk right beside the limo.

Willis  herself stated in a recorded interview  that she had her eyes on JFK the ENTIRE time she was running. Therefore , if her head was turned towards TSBD earlier at Z124 , it is because the JFK limo was passing by the TSBD entrance (as recorded in the Towner film) at the same time as Willis was keeping her eye on JFK as she ran around the curved sidewalk.

And the  Z film frame where Rosemary Willis has  stopped running and she has turned her head towards TSBD is  approx at Z-200.

What other witnesses statements are there that even remotely support a first shot fired at Z124?

The significance of 2/3rds majority of witnesses who estimated hearing 3 shots fired in a span of only 4-6 seconds with the last 2 shots being literally “back to back”  is enough in itself  to discount a 1st shot at Z 124. Let alone that  so far in this thread there has been no proof as yet posted to prove a Z-124 shot.