Would JBC have turned around so far to see where the shot had come from?

[Tom Graves]

When we look at Z-260, we've got to ask ourselves, "Would JBC really have turned around so far to see "where the shot had come from" and "try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his shoulder"?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z260.jpg

I say he wouldn't.

Especially since we know now that, having heard the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything "Z-124" shot and having consciously and rapidly turned his head to his left starting at Z-150, JBC, in a futile attempt see where the shot had come from and to try to catch a glimpse of JFK, started turning far to his right in Z-165 and was still turned significantly in that direction when both he and JFK were struck by CE-399 at Z-222/Z-224.

Therefore, what we're seeing in Z-260 is a largish man who has been was struck by a bullet (CE-399) two seconds earlier -- but whose spinal cord and vital organs are still intact.

And who was in so much shock and pain that he couldn't remember later that he was finally able, on his second attempt, to see JFK with his peripheral vision if not directly.

"Case Closed"

[Charles Collins]

When we look at Z-260, we've got to ask ourselves, "Would JBC really have turned around so far to see "where the shot had come from" and "try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his shoulder"?

https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z260.jpg

I say he wouldn't.

Especially since we know now that, having heard the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything "Z-124" shot and having consciously and rapidly turned his head to his left starting at Z-150, JBC, in a futile attempt see where the shot had come from and to try to catch a glimpse of JFK, started turning far to his right in Z-165 and was still turned significantly in that direction when both he and JFK were struck by CE-399 at Z-222/Z-224.

Therefore, what we're seeing in Z-260 is a largish man who has been was struck by a bullet (CE-399) two seconds earlier -- but whose spinal cord and vital organs are still intact.

And who was in so much shock and pain that he couldn't remember later that he was finally able, on his second attempt, to see JFK with his peripheral vision if not directly.

"Case Closed"

If I remember correctly, JBC said that his initial thought after he was shot was that it was going to be fatal for hisself. I tend to agree that the turn and look JBC made around Z260 was a little over two seconds after he was hit. I think the reason he didn’t remember seeing JFK was something called repression:

“The psychological term is repression, a defense mechanism where an individual unconsciously blocks distressing memories or thoughts from their awareness to avoid emotional pain. It differs from suppression, which is the conscious decision to push thoughts away. Another related term is denial, which involves consciously or unconsciously refusing to acknowledge an unpleasant reality.”

https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+psychological+term+for+mentally+blocking+out+something+that+is+too+terrible+to+accept&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en-us&client=safari

I also think that is probably the same reason Jackie said she had no memory of crawling back onto the trunk lid of the limo.

[Michael T. Griffith]

When we look at Z-260, we've got to ask ourselves, "Would JBC really have turned around so far to see "where the shot had come from" and "try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his shoulder". . . ?

Especially since we know now that, having heard the sounds of Oswald's first, missing-everything "Z-124" shot and having consciously and rapidly turned his head to his left starting at Z-150, JBC, in a futile attempt see where the shot had come from and to try to catch a glimpse of JFK, started turning far to his right in Z-165 and was still turned significantly in that direction when both he and JFK were struck by CE-399 at Z-222/Z-224.

More Flat Earthish lone-gunman fantasy material. This utter, silly nonsense has been refuted in this forum many times over, but WC true believers just keep posting it anyway, apparently hoping that newcomers won't stumble across the refutations.

One, in Z260, Connally isn't trying to turn to see anything: he is obviously twisting and writhing in pain from having a bullet tear through his chest and smash his right radius bone. Connally, the guy who actually experienced the wounding, said the bullet hit him in Z234, which is why barely 200 milliseconds later his right shoulder is slammed downward and a pained look appears on his face.

Two, we know from medical science that JFK was hit before Z222. Experts from both sides agree that JFK's Z225 reaction alone proves he must have been hit absolutely no later than Z221, because it would have taken JFK at least four frames to physically react to being wounded, whether the reaction was an automatic reflex reaction or a voluntary reaction. Even Lattimer acknowledged this fact.

Moreover, JFK is obviously starting in bring his left hand upward toward his throat in Z224, and Jackie is already staring at him intensely in Z224, which proves he could not have been later than Z220. The HSCA's photographic experts determined that JFK was hit at Z186-190, a conclusion supported by a host of other experts.

Three, Connally told the WC he was not hit before Z231. After studying high-quality prints of the relevant Zapruder frames under high magnification for Life magazine, Connally said he was absolutely certain he was not hit before Z229. Anyone not blinded by the single-bullet theory (SBT) can see that the Zapruder film proves Connally was correct.

Some might be thinking, "Shouldn't we take the word of the guy who actually experienced the wounding as to when the wounding occurred?" Well, you'd certainly logically and rationally think so, but WC apologists must lamely dismiss Connally as "mistaken" because his timing of the shot destroys the SBT and the lone-gunman theory.

Four, the mythical "lapel flip" at Z224 is an optical illusion caused by reflected sunlight, which explains why it occurs in only 54 milliseconds. Down here on Earth, lapels cannot flip up and down in 54 milliseconds, no matter how briskly the wind is blowing. For comparison and context, an involuntary eye blink takes at least 100 milliseconds.

Five, the SBT requires that the alleged single bullet was traveling sideways when it hit Connally in the back and tore through his chest, but the back wound was too small and the chest wound tract was too narrow to have been caused by a sideways-traveling bullet.

Why does the SBT require the fanciful assumption that the bullet was traveling sideways? One major reason is that the slight distortion of CE 399's lands and grooves proves that whatever it hit, it hit with its side, i.e., it was traveling sideways.

Six, we now know that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors positively, definitively, absolutely established via prolonged probing that JFK's back wound was shallow and had no exit point, which is why the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound. Technicians around the autopsy table could even see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity because the autopsy doctors removed the chest organs to facilitate the probing and to enable them to see where the wound tract led.

Seven, the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves to any rational person that JFK's back wound was well below the throat wound and that the bullet could not possibly have exited the throat without smashing through the spine and creating a large, gashed exit wound (the throat wound was only 3-6 mm in diameter, neat, and punched inward). Moreover, photos of JFK's tie and shirt slits prove that no bullet exited the throat, and, as mentioned, we know that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point.

JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view

[Tom Graves]

In Z260, Connally isn't trying to turn to see anything: he is obviously twisting and writhing in pain from having a bullet tear through his chest and smash his right radius bone.

Correct, but some tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorists think (sic) that he is.

Connally, the guy who actually experienced the wounding, said the bullet hit him in Z234, which is why barely 200 milliseconds later his right shoulder is slammed downward, and a pained look appears on his face.

He was mistaken due to the trauma he had suffered.

Since his tie and lapel flipped outward in frames Z-223 and Z-224, respectively, and because and his right shoulder was driven downward and he was grimacing in Z-222, we know that he was hit at that time.

Or do you think (sic) it was a gust of wind or a reflection of sunlight on both of them?

Two, we know from medical science that JFK was hit before Z222. Experts from both sides agree that JFK's Z225 reaction alone proves he must have been hit absolutely no later than Z221, because it would have taken JFK at least four frames to physically react to being wounded, whether the reaction was an automatic reflex reaction or a voluntary reaction.

It depends on when you believe JFK first reacted to being shot.

Lone Gunman Advocate Patrick Collins believes JFK was hit at Z-221.5

Moreover, JFK is obviously starting in bring his left hand upward toward his throat in Z224, and Jackie is already staring at him intensely in Z224, which proves he could not have been later than Z220. The HSCA's photographic experts determined that JFK was hit at Z186-190, a conclusion supported by a host of other experts.

1) The favorite word of every JFKA charlatan in the world is "obviously."

2) After Croft famously captured her staring at him (Croft) with an alarmed look on her face in Z-161, Jackie started turning her head back to her right around Z-165 and wasn't, by Z-196, "staring intently at JFK," but simply looking in the same direction as JBC (who, like her, was turned far to his right -- see below), and she continued doing so until your precious Z-224.

Three, Connally told the WC he was not hit before Z231. After studying high-quality prints of the relevant Zapruder frames under high magnification for Life magazine, Connally said he was absolutely certain he was not hit before Z229. Anyone not blinded by the single-bullet theory (SBT) can see that the Zapruder film proves Connally was correct.

Connally had repressed the correct memory of a traumatic incident in his life.

But at least he correctly remembered recognizing the loud sound (at "Z-224") as a high-powered rifle shot coming from "behind him and to his right, and he remembered "instinctively" turning to his right (starting at Z-150) to see if JFK was okay but not being able to "see" him in the corner of his eye (because JFK had turned his head far to his right and he was waving to someone).

Four, the mythical "lapel flip" at Z224 is an optical illusion caused by reflected sunlight, which explains why it occurs in only 54 milliseconds.

Was the tie flip a reflection, as well?

Five, the SBT requires that the alleged single bullet was traveling sideways when it hit Connally in the back and tore through his chest, but the back wound was too small and the chest wound tract was too narrow to have been caused by a sideways-traveling bullet.

The Single Bullet Theory doesn't require that, but that's what the bullet did as indicated by the fact that it left a 15mm x 6mm hole in JBC's back.

Why does the SBT require the fanciful assumption that the bullet was traveling sideways? One major reason is that the slight distortion of CE 399's lands and grooves proves that whatever it hit, it hit with its side, i.e., it was traveling sideways.

Even if CE-399 hadn't started yawing when it exited JFK's throat, the SBT would still be correct.

Six, we now know that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors positively, definitively, absolutely established via prolonged probing that JFK's back wound was shallow and had no exit point, which is why the first two drafts of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit point for the back wound. Technicians around the autopsy table could even see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity because the autopsy doctors removed the chest organs to facilitate the probing and to enable them to see where the wound tract led.

It's positively, definitively and absolutely true that by the time of the autopsy doctors' heroic probing attempt, rigor mortis had already set in on JFK's corpse, thereby making it impossible to probe the track of CE-399 through the muscles of his upper back / lower neck.

Seven, the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves to any rational person that JFK's back wound was well below the throat wound and that the bullet could not possibly have exited the throat without smashing through the spine and creating a large, gashed exit wound (the throat wound was only 3-6 mm in diameter, neat, and punched inward). Moreover, photos of JFK's tie and shirt slits prove that no bullet exited the throat, and, as mentioned, we know that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point.

If what you say is correct, then the medical staff carelessly hacked through JFK's tie with a potential jugular-slicing scalpel.

[Michael T. Griffith]

Seven, the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves to any rational person that JFK's back wound was well below the throat wound and that the bullet could not possibly have exited the throat without smashing through the spine and creating a large, gashed exit wound (the throat wound was only 3-6 mm in diameter, neat, and punched inward). Moreover, photos of JFK's tie and shirt slits prove that no bullet exited the throat, and, as mentioned, we know that the back wound was shallow and had no exit point.

JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1MAgWA0frOLVeWY6ok9nzdrgpRN4Wv1AL/view

I failed to mention the most important fact about the location of the back wound indicated by the rear clothing holes: If the bullet that hit the back at T3 had been fired from the sixth-floor window, its downward trajectory through JFK would have been at least 15 degrees, far below the throat wound.

It is worth mentioning that the T3 location indicated by the clothing holes is corroborated by the official death certificate (marked "verified"), by the autopsy face sheet, by the eyewitness accounts of Secret Service agent Glen Bennett and military aide Richard Lipsey, and by the wound diagrams drawn by FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill, who spent at least two hours watching the autopsy, and by Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who attended the autopsy for the specific purpose of noting the locations of JFK's wounds.


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[Tom Graves]

I failed to mention the most important fact about the location of the back wound indicated by the rear clothing holes: If the bullet that hit the back at T3 had been fired from the sixth-floor window, its downward trajectory through JFK would have been at least 15 degrees, far below the throat wound. It is worth mentioning that the T3 location indicated by the clothing holes is corroborated by the official death certificate (marked "verified"), by the autopsy face sheet, by the eyewitness accounts of Secret Service agent Glen Bennett and military aide Richard Lipsey, and by the wound diagrams drawn by FBI agents Sibert and O'Neill, who spent at least two hours watching the autopsy, and by Secret Service agent Roy Kellerman, who attended the autopsy for the specific purpose of noting the locations of JFK's wounds.

The Croft photo at Z-161 shows JFK and JBC sitting at the correct angle to each other and to the sixth-floor sniper's nest for the CE-399 shot to "work."