Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

Royel, Royell, Royell...
You really must read the posts concerning the issue under discussion.
Firstly, I think it's just good manners to do that. If you're involved in a discussion you should make an effort to be aware of what's actually being said in that discussion. And, secondly, it would just save me so much time having to go over the same information time and time again trying to remedy your constant misinterpretations, misunderstandings and misrepresentations.

Here is the initial timeline I posted a few replies ago:

Last shot

0 - 10 seconds
Gloria is racing towards the TSBD building. Shelley runs across to the 'island'. Lovelady stays put. Baker is on his bike heading for the TSBD building. Adams is in motion

10 - 20 seconds
Gloria meets Shelley at the island and makes her way to the front steps followed by Shelley. Baker pulls up and dismounts. Lovelady stays put as Gloria runs towards him. Adams reaches the top of the stairs.

20 - 30 seconds
Baker races past Truly and makes his way up the front steps. As he enters the lobby he is followed by Shelley, Lovelady and Truly. Adams racing down stairs.

30 - 40 seconds
Baker and Truly have their interaction in the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady make their way directly through the lobby and start to cross the first floor. Adams is still on the stairs.

40 - 50 seconds
Shelley and Lovelady are near the elevators. Adams races past them and calls out about the President before leaving through the back door. Truly and Baker have just entered the first floor from the lobby.

50 - 60 seconds
Baker and Truly arrive at the elevators. Shelley and Lovelady have split up and are trying to act as if nothing is happening. Adams and Styles are outside, racing towards the railroad tracks.

Expanding Officer Baker's entrance into the TSBD to 40 seconds is a good start to remedy your Tick-Tock issue.
I have not expanded Baker's entrance into the building to 40 seconds.
Baker's entrance is around the 30 second mark.
At 40 seconds he is interacting with Truly in the lobby.
(Read the post again and pay attention this time)
You seem to imagine there is a "tick tock issue" but you never specify what it is.
Analyse the timeline I've presented and spell out why you believe there is an issue with the timings.
All you've done so far is come up with the ludicrous argument that imagines the first floor is a wide open, empty space which you've wisely dropped.

But now we have this gem...

Now you gotta explain just how ALL of these people forced their way through the TSBD Front Door at the same time.

I literally can't believe you've asked this question.
It really has blown my mind.
In the post you are responding to...THE POST YOU ARE RESPONDING TO...Baker answers this very question in detail.
In his WC testimony he literally states that "There were several people coming in as I...came in". He goes on to say, "there were several in front of me and also around my sides and my back".
It's not my problem that you can't visualise a number of people entering through a doorway around the same time.
In your mind you seem to be imagining all four men stood side-by-side, shoulder-to-shoulder, trying to enter the door at exactly the same moment. Do you live in some kind of cartoon world?
According to you, this is the big problem with the timeline I'm putting forward but, like your nonsense about the empty first floor, it's not a "tick tock issue", as you put it.

If all you can come up with are Tom and Jerry arguments against the timeline I'm presenting, isn't it time to consider that I might be on to something?
The timeline I'm presenting, unlike anyone else's, is supported by the Dillard pic, The Stroud document, The Darnell footage, the WC testimonies of Adams, Baker, Truly, Molina,  and the initial affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady.
It also makes sense of the lies Shelley and Lovelady told the WC.

   If Baker enters the TSBD in 30 seconds, and there are people behind him, in front of him, and to the sides of him, how does he converse with Truly, make it through the lobby and then cross the 1st Floor in only 30 additional seconds? He doesn't. Plus, you claim that Baker can Not see Lovelady and Shelley crossing the same 1st Floor in front of him, due to the 1st Floor being cluttered. This means that Baker and Truly are not crossing the floor inna straight line. This only increases the time it took them to navigate their way across the floor. I also believe you do not appreciate how large the footprint of the TSBD is. Crossing a floor is a good walk, especially if the floor is cluttered and Baker has to follow Truly as he zig-zags across it. 30 seconds to go from the TSBD front door, talk with Truly, fight their way through the throng all around them in the lobby, and then navigate across the entire 1st floor is too quick.

[Dan O'meara]

   If Baker enters the TSBD in 30 seconds, and there are people behind him, in front of him, and to the sides of him, how does he converse with Truly, make it through the lobby and then cross the 1st Floor in only 30 additional seconds? He doesn't. Plus, you claim that Baker can Not see Lovelady and Shelley crossing the same 1st Floor in front of him, due to the 1st Floor being cluttered. This means that Baker and Truly are not crossing the floor inna straight line. This only increases the time it took them to navigate their way across the floor. I also believe you do not appreciate how large the footprint of the TSBD is. Crossing a floor is a good walk, especially if the floor is cluttered and Baker has to follow Truly as he zig-zags across it. 30 seconds to go from the TSBD front door, talk with Truly, fight their way through the throng all around them in the lobby, and then navigate across the entire 1st floor is too quick.

If Baker enters the TSBD in 30 seconds, and there are people behind him, in front of him, and to the sides of him, how does he converse with Truly, make it through the lobby and then cross the 1st Floor in only 30 additional seconds?

It's easily done.
Yet again, we are dealing with your inability to visualise things in a realistic way or to think things through properly.
You don't have a "tick tock issue", you have a thinking issue.
You also need to familiarise yourself with the evidence.
The distance they have to cover is no more than 110 feet. They don't walk , as you suggest, but "trot". At 5mph this is faster than a walk but slower than a run. Also, they don't have to zigzag, as you suggest, they travel straight ahead for about half the length of the building then travel diagonally to the area near the elevators.

110 feet can be covered can be covered in 15 seconds at a trot (there's 5280 feet in a mile if you are going to do the calculation).
After you've done the calculation, get yourself a stopwatch and time the following imaginary interaction:

Baker:  Who can show me where the stairs or elevator are which will take me to the roof?

Truly: I'm Roy Truly, building supervisor, I can take you to the roof.

Baker:  Let's go!

I make it at 10 seconds.
This even leaves enough time for Baker to run into the back of Truly at the counter.
Remember, the timings I've given are an approximation but, even so, they still stand up at the moment without any change.
There is no "tick tock issue", as you put it.
The arguments you've raised against my proposed timeline reveal nothing wrong with the timeline but plenty wrong with your ability to visualise reality.
You must see the ease with which your objections are being dealt with and you must concede that, after all your objections have been dealt with, the timeline is valid.

[Royell Storing]

If Baker enters the TSBD in 30 seconds, and there are people behind him, in front of him, and to the sides of him, how does he converse with Truly, make it through the lobby and then cross the 1st Floor in only 30 additional seconds?

It's easily done.
Yet again, we are dealing with your inability to visualise things in a realistic way or to think things through properly.
You don't have a "tick tock issue", you have a thinking issue.
You also need to familiarise yourself with the evidence.
The distance they have to cover is no more than 110 feet. They don't walk , as you suggest, but "trot". At 5mph this is faster than a walk but slower than a run. Also, they don't have to zigzag, as you suggest, they travel straight ahead for about half the length of the building then travel diagonally to the area near the elevators.

110 feet can be covered can be covered in 15 seconds at a trot (there's 5280 feet in a mile if you are going to do the calculation).
After you've done the calculation, get yourself a stopwatch and time the following imaginary interaction:

Baker:  Who can show me where the stairs or elevator are which will take me to the roof?

Truly: I'm Roy Truly, building supervisor, I can take you to the roof.

Baker:  Let's go!

I make it at 10 seconds.
This even leaves enough time for Baker to run into the back of Truly at the counter.
Remember, the timings I've given are an approximation but, even so, they still stand up at the moment without any change.
There is no "tick tock issue", as you put it.
The arguments you've raised against my proposed timeline reveal nothing wrong with the timeline but plenty wrong with your ability to visualise reality.
You must see the ease with which your objections are being dealt with and you must concede that, after all your objections have been dealt with, the timeline is valid.

  OK. So now you wanna go from Baker and Truly being literally surrounded by people, to their being able to freely "trot" around the TSBD? You make a big deal out of an alleged 110', but if you have a throng of confused people all around you, you're boxed in. You struggle to do jack. Even conversing would be an issue. And you forget to mention the "tug of rope" that Truly & Baker had going with that locked swinging door connected to the counter. You know, that escapade that had the 2 of them bouncing off of each other like "Laurel and Hardy"? All of this mayhem consumes "tick tock" off of that 30 second clock that begins the moment that Baker fights his way through that, "1 way in, 1 way out", TSBD front door.  This has nothing to do with what I "visualize". It has everything to do with this ever evolving tale. You need to decide specifically how you want to paint this picture. "Measure twice, cut once", would be in order here.

[Dan O'meara]

  OK. So now you wanna go from Baker and Truly being literally surrounded by people, to their being able to freely "trot" around the TSBD? You make a big deal out of an alleged 110', but if you have a throng of confused people all around you, you're boxed in. You struggle to do jack. Even conversing would be an issue. And you forget to mention the "tug of rope" that Truly & Baker had going with that locked swinging door connected to the counter. You know, that escapade that had the 2 of them bouncing off of each other like "Laurel and Hardy"? All of this mayhem consumes "tick tock" off of that 30 second clock that begins the moment that Baker fights his way through that, "1 way in, 1 way out", TSBD front door.  This has nothing to do with what I "visualize". It has everything to do with this ever evolving tale. You need to decide specifically how you want to paint this picture. "Measure twice, cut once", would be in order here.

So now you wanna go from Baker and Truly being literally surrounded by people, to their being able to freely "trot" around the TSBD?

Once again, I dispel one of your cartoonish notions with actual evidence so you just make up another.
Now you have the lobby so packed with people that nobody can move!!
It's impossible to have a reasoned debate when I am operating in the real world and you're just plucking bizarre scenarios out of your cartoonish imagination.

As Baker enters the lobby he makes the point that other people are entering with him at the same time and that there are already people in the lobby. In your life you must have seen a situation where a number of people are entering a building through a doorway at the same time. You don't have to imagine everyone standing shoulder-to-shoulder. That's just the cartoons.

Your arguments against the timeline I have presented are not arguments at all. It may really be the case that you imagine you are making valid points, it's hard to say.
You have said nothing that has had any impact on the validity of my timeline. I can't take your cartoonish scenarios seriously.

"Measure twice, cut once", would be in order here.

"Think once", might do you some good.

[Royell Storing]

  O'MEARA - Have you gone through that YOU TUBE piece by Lone Gunman (1:37:49)? It looks like a lot of this is Kamp's work. It was posted 9 yrs ago and I am just beginning to sort through it. A ton of stuff in this opus applies to your alleged Lovelady/Shelley movements. Let me know if you have not gone through it and I'll direct you exactly where it is at. Very detailed, extremely interesting. Diamonds in the rough throughout I am sure.