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Undeniable Proof of Fraud: The Impossible JFK Autopsy Brain Photos
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on November 18, 2025, 01:42:57 PM ---This thread is Exhibit A for the refusal of lone-gunman theorists to deal credibly and objectively with evidence that destroys their version of the shooting. Any objective reader of this thread will see that WC apologists have no rational, believable answers to the compelling evidence that the brain photos simply cannot be pictures of JFK's brain.
Yet, lone-gunman theorists will continue to pretend that their case is valid, that the autopsy materials are pristine and reliable, and that there was no cover-up because there was only one gunman and only three shots, etc., etc. They will pretend that there is no evidence of fraud and alteration in the autopsy materials, that all of the contradictions and problems with those materials have been explained.
Most of their "explanations" boggle the mind. A few examples:
The nurses who cleaned JFK's large head wound and packed it with gauze, and the morticians at the autopsy who reassembled JFK's skull, could not tell the difference between a wound above the right ear and a wound 3-4 inches farther back on the head that included part of the occiput and revealed severe damage to the cerebellum.
The Parkland doctors, including the chief neurosurgeon, somehow mistook parietal brain tissue for cerebellar brain tissue, even though the cerebellum looks very different from the rest of the brain.
A bullet that entered at the EOP site at a downward angle could have somehow, someway missed not only the cerebellum but the right occipital lobe.
Or, the autopsy doctors and the autopsy radiologist somehow, someway mistook an entry wound that was in the parietal bone, that was above the lambda and the lambdoid suture, at least 5 inches above the hairline and 4 inches above the EOP--they somehow, someway mistook this wound for a wound that was in the lower half of the occiput, only 1 cm above the EOP and 1 inch above the hairline.
The "large chunk of brain" that Jackie handed to Dr. Jenkins in the Parkland ER was reattached to the brain before the autopsy brain photos were taken! No, I'm not kidding. Jack Nessan made this argument.
The bits of JFK's brain that splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces amounted to less than 2 ounces of brain tissue.
Here's the core problem: If lone-gunman theorists admit that the autopsy brain photos are fraudulent and that the skull x-rays show far more missing brain tissue than the brain photos show, their entire case collapses.
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You must have run out of the make-believe experts? Even your experts' statements do not support this tripe. The hospital nurses are now your new experts?
Unbelievable, now you are advocating the piece of JFK’s brain, that Jackie held in her hand was not somehow retained and preserved but instead just fed to the pups? What a delusional thing to post, but it seems in total character and explains the rest of this odd ranting narrative. The reason this odd story is so easily dismissed is because there is not a shred of proof or logic in any of it.
How about clue in. The bullet did so much damage that the skull was fractured into many pieces. You are unable to understand that the concussion of the bullet fragmenting, basically scrambled the brain. Are you really this lame?
Really, you think they would put the pieces of brain back into the skull to photograph them. You claim everything is faked except now this story of putting the brains back is part of your theory? This is how pathetic this really is. You cannot tell an honest story or make a viable case that his odd conspiracy theory even exists. It is all fantasy from start to finish. If there was even a morsel of truth in any part of this, you would not have to resort to tall tales, make believe experts, or to resort to absolute fiction to try and convince anyone of the validity of this brain damage nonsense.
How about prove anything at all. Start there.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on November 18, 2025, 04:28:34 PM ---You must have run out of the make-believe experts? Even your experts' statements do not support this tripe. The hospital nurses are now your new experts?
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A silly argument not worth answering. Objective people who read this thread will wonder how you can make such statements with a straight face.
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on November 18, 2025, 04:28:34 PM ---Unbelievable, now you are advocating the piece of JFK’s brain, that Jackie held in her hand was not somehow retained and preserved but instead just fed to the pups? What a delusional thing to post, but it seems in total character and explains the rest of this odd ranting narrative. The reason this odd story is so easily dismissed is because there is not a shred of proof or logic in any of it.
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Oh! Really?! Well, please do provide a shred of evidence that the large chunk of brain that Jackie handed to Dr. Jenkins was ever even flown to DC, much less that it was given to the autopsy doctors at any point. Nobody but nobody but nobody said one word about seeing any such thing. There is literally not one word in any account that even hints that such a thing was done.
FYI, the autopsy brain photos do not show any separate pieces of brain tissue. Dr. Jenkins said he gave the "large chunk of brain" to a Secret Service agent, and there is no record or even rumor of what happened to it after that, nor is there any photo of a "large chunk of brain," nor is there any record or account of a large piece of brain being given to the autopsy doctors at any point.
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on November 18, 2025, 04:28:34 PM ---How about clue in. The bullet did so much damage that the skull was fractured into many pieces. You are unable to understand that the concussion of the bullet fragmenting, basically scrambled the brain. Are you really this lame?
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Umm, which argument of mine is this ball of confusion supposed to be answering? How does this explain the fact that the skull x-rays show far more missing brain tissue than the autopsy brain photos show? How does this explain how JFK's brain could have weighed 1,500 grams after bits of brain tissue from that brain splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces, not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie brought to the ER? How does this explain the fact that the dozens of tiny fragments seen on the skull x-rays prove the ammo could not have been FMJ ammo?
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on November 18, 2025, 04:28:34 PM ---Really, you think they would put the pieces of brain back into the skull to photograph them. You claim everything is faked except now this story of putting the brains back is part of your theory? This is how pathetic this really is. You cannot tell an honest story or make a viable case that his odd conspiracy theory even exists. It is all fantasy from start to finish. If there was even a morsel of truth in any part of this, you would not have to resort to tall tales, make believe experts, or to resort to absolute fiction to try and convince anyone of the validity of this brain damage nonsense.
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Huh??? Uh, you're the one who claimed that someone took the large chunk of brain that Jackie brought to the ER and put it back with the rest of brain. I've never said that any pieces of brain tissue were put back with the rest of the brain. That was your zany suggestion.
The only fantasy is your claim that OD measurement is not a recognized science, that 40-plus witnesses couldn't tell the difference between a wound directly above the right ear and a wound several inches farther back on the head, that your college-dropout source (Pat Speer) knows more about OD science and x-ray interpretation than Dr. Mantik, Dr. Chesser, Dr. Henkelmann, Dr. Haus, Dr. Aguilar, etc., etc.
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on November 18, 2025, 04:28:34 PM ---How about prove anything at all. Start there.
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I can't prove anything to you because you have the same mindset as a Flat Earther, a 9/11 Truther, or a Moon-landing denier when it comes to the JFK case.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on November 20, 2025, 08:27:48 PM ---A silly argument not worth answering. Objective people who read this thread will wonder how you can make such statements with a straight face.
Oh! Really?! Well, please do provide a shred of evidence that the large chunk of brain that Jackie handed to Dr. Jenkins was ever even flown to DC, much less that it was given to the autopsy doctors at any point. Nobody but nobody but nobody said one word about seeing any such thing. There is literally not one word in any account that even hints that such a thing was done.
FYI, the autopsy brain photos do not show any separate pieces of brain tissue. Dr. Jenkins said he gave the "large chunk of brain" to a Secret Service agent, and there is no record or even rumor of what happened to it after that, nor is there any photo of a "large chunk of brain," nor is there any record or account of a large piece of brain being given to the autopsy doctors at any point.
Umm, which argument of mine is this ball of confusion supposed to be answering? How does this explain the fact that the skull x-rays show far more missing brain tissue than the autopsy brain photos show? How does this explain how JFK's brain could have weighed 1,500 grams after bits of brain tissue from that brain splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces, not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie brought to the ER? How does this explain the fact that the dozens of tiny fragments seen on the skull x-rays prove the ammo could not have been FMJ ammo?
Huh??? Uh, you're the one who claimed that someone took the large chunk of brain that Jackie brought to the ER and put it back with the rest of brain. I've never said that any pieces of brain tissue were put back with the rest of the brain. That was your zany suggestion.
The only fantasy is your claim that OD measurement is not a recognized science, that 40-plus witnesses couldn't tell the difference between a wound directly above the right ear and a wound several inches farther back on the head, that your college-dropout source (Pat Speer) knows more about OD science and x-ray interpretation than Dr. Mantik, Dr. Chesser, Dr. Henkelmann, Dr. Haus, Dr. Aguilar, etc., etc.
I can't prove anything to you because you have the same mindset as a Flat Earther, a 9/11 Truther, or a Moon-landing denier when it comes to the JFK case.
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The bits of brain that were splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces undoubtedly added up to more than 2 ounces, and this is not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie gave to Dr. Jenkins in the Parkland ER. There is simply no way that the brain seen in the autopsy brain photos could be the same brain that was blasted during the assassination.
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on November 28, 2025, 11:24:12 AM ---The bits of brain that were splattered or fell onto 16 surfaces undoubtedly added up to more than 2 ounces, and this is not counting the "large chunk of brain" that Jackie gave to Dr. Jenkins in the Parkland ER. There is simply no way that the brain seen in the autopsy brain photos could be the same brain that was blasted during the assassination.
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“undoubtedly added up to more than 2 ounces
"Undoubtedly" ---Incredible, finally admitting you have no idea how much was missing. Just making grandiose claims and wild unfounded statements with absolutely no knowledge of there being any sufficient amount other than what you believe sounds like the proper amount.
“There is simply no way that the brain seen in the autopsy brain photos could be the same brain that was blasted during the assassination.”
"Was Blasted During the Assassination"
But yet you persist in making all these claims about what the damage should be, and the top of the brain is intact and all the nonsense about high fragment trail and low fragment trail and different entrance sites because you are certain the damage has to look a certain way. Now you finally admit the damage was extensive and beyond description.
What happened to your make-believe experts and all that nonsense? Like your proof of a third shot, just faded away?
Michael T. Griffith:
Consider how the evidence of fraud in the autopsy brain photos comes together and mutually corroborates:
-- None other than former HSCA FPP chairman Dr. Michael Baden acknowledged to devout WC defender Vincent Bugliosi that the autopsy brain photos show "less than" 1-2 ounces of brain tissue missing. Not realizing he was providing devastating evidence against the autopsy brain photos, Bugliosi trumpeted Baden's disclosure to "refute" the eyewitnesses who said a large amount of JFK's brain was gone.
-- We know that bits of JFK's brain were blown or fell onto 16 surfaces. Significantly, several witnesses said the tissue was gray or white. About 40% of brain tissue is gray and about 60% is white. Those 16 bits of brain tissue alone certainly added up to more than 2 ounces.
-- We know that Jackie Kennedy brought a "large chunk of brain" into the Parkland ER and handed it to Dr. Jenkins, who then handed it to a Secret Service agent. That chunk of brain surely weighed at least 2 ounces. 2 ounces of brain tissue is about the size of a golf ball.
The autopsy report impossibly says JFK's brain weighed 1,500 grams. The average male brain weighs about 1,350 grams. 1,500 grams equals 53 ounces. 1,350 grams equals 47 ounces.
-- The autopsy skull x-rays show at least 2/3 of the right brain to be missing. Multiple optical-density (OD) measurements of the skull x-rays confirm that only about 30% of the right brain is present in the x-rays.
In 1992, before any OD measurements had been done on the skull x-rays, none other than Dr. James Humes, the chief JFK autopsy doctor, admitted to JAMA that "two thirds of the right cerebrum had been blown away" (Journal of the American Medical Association [JAMA], May 27, 1992, p. 2798).
When Humes revealed this, he was unaware that in 1975, Dr. Fred Hodges, the then-chief of neuro-radiology at the John Hopkins medical school, examined the skull x-rays and found they showed a "goodly portion" of the right brain to be "missing."
-- A number of eyewitnesses who got good looks at the damage to JFK's head said that a substantial part of the brain was blown away. These witnesses included mortician Tom Robinson, assistant autopsy photographer Floyd Riebe, Secret Service agent Clint Hill (who stared into the large hole in JFK's head for several minutes from 3-4 feet away), and FBI agent Francis O'Neill (one of the two FBI agents who observed the autopsy, and observed it from close range most of the time).
-- The autopsy photographer, John Stringer, told the ARRB he was certain he did not take the extant autopsy brain photos.
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