A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys

[Royell Storing]

I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.

   I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car. 

[James Hackerott]

   I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car.

\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 

[Tom Graves]

\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it looks to you as though the Wiegman car is parked next to the "island" instead of next to the TSBD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[James Hackerott]

If I understand you correctly, you're saying that it looks to you as though the Wiegman car is parked next to the "island" instead of next to the TSBD. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?

[Tom Graves]

Yes Tom, the car seems close to the Elm Exension's south curb, which is the "island" north curb. I'm attaching a single graphic showing the two positions along with the Wiegman frame for comparison. Which 3D render looks more like the Wiegman frame to you?

I think you're right, I mean correct.

[Royell Storing]

\  To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera.  I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.

 

   You guys are over complicating this. The car on the Wiegman still frame is parked close to the Huge Gates. We see the (L) TAIL LIGHT of this car. A Tail Light is COLORED. We see this Tail Light on the Wiegman still frame has COLOR. On the Couch/Darnell film, Officer Baker runs past the HEADLIGHT of a car parked alongside the Island. That Headlight is CLEAR. This is indisputable.

[Tom Graves]

The car in the Wiegman frame is parked [on the TSBD side of Elm Street Extension,] close to the Huge Gates.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Why is it so large in comparison with the people in the "foreground"?

-- Tom

[James Hackerott]

   You guys are over complicating this. The car on the Wiegman still frame is parked close to the Huge Gates. We see the (L) TAIL LIGHT of this car. A Tail Light is COLORED. We see this Tail Light on the Wiegman still frame has COLOR. On the Couch/Darnell film, Officer Baker runs past the HEADLIGHT of a car parked alongside the Island. That Headlight is CLEAR. This is indisputable.

I don’t think that is a taillight on a car near the gates. It is probably related to the Live Oak Tree shadow filling the area between the black suit man and the woman to his right. Such as shadow would be coming from the lower portion of the crown and on the south side (from modeling). The tree was not giving shade to the proposed car near the gates (north side of the Extension).