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A Car, A Garden, And A Coupla Guys
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on October 15, 2025, 11:16:38 PM --- Like I said, there are cars parked on the other side of the Elm St Ext. This is what you are seeing. These vehicles are near the Huge Gates. At least 1 of these cars on that side of the street is visible on the Martin Film snippet showing Amos Euins on the back of Sgt Harkness 3 wheel motorcycle. Use that traffic light pole with the pointed sign on it as your visual landmark. On the Couch/Darnell Films, the Front of the car in question is parked from that traffic light pole BACK toward the railroad yard. On the Wiegman Film you posted, do you see a parked car from that traffic light pole Back toward the railroad yard? Look between the people standing on the Island. All you see is the street surface directly behind them. This is because there is no car parked from the traffic light pole back toward the railroad yard at this point in time.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).
Good!
Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".
You can see that, right?
Good!
I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.
Please let me know if you need any more assistance.
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on October 16, 2025, 12:56:28 AM ---Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you see the man in the general direction of your HUGE GATES who's wearing a suit and a fedora and has his arms crossed? (Some folks at the so-called Education Forum used to think he might be Roy Truly, but he isn't).
Good!
Go to the 40-second mark, pause the video, and look closely at him in the gap between the two camera cars and you'll see that he's standing on the tip of the "island" / "peninsula".
You can see that, right?
Good!
I MIGHT BE WRONG, but I believe just behind him and to his right is a car that I believe is parked legally, direction-wise, on the "island" side of Elm Street Extension, not the TSBD side.
Please let me know if you need any more assistance.
-- Tom
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For starters, it is ILLEGAL to park alongside the Island. The Hughes Film shows a car parked in the same position alongside the Island about 15-20 minutes after the Kill Shot. Above that car is a sign attached to the Traffic Light Pole that reads, "No Parking at any time". Just look at the feet of the people standing on the Island. You can see the Street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would Not be able to see the street. A car parked behind them would block the view of the street. What you are seeing is a car on the other side of the street. It is pointed toward the railroad yard. You are seeing the (L) rear fender/tail light/trunk of a car on the other side of the street, close to the Huge Gates.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on October 16, 2025, 06:50:07 AM ---Just look at the feet of the people standing on the "island." You can see the street behind them. If there was a car directly behind them, you would not be able to see the street.
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I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on October 16, 2025, 08:13:30 AM ---I MIGHT BE WRONG but think what you assume is "the street visible between the legs of [some of] the people who are on the Island" is actually the Island, and the reason we can see "it" is because the car isn't parked on the Island, it's parked on the street right next to the Island.
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I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car.
James Hackerott:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on October 16, 2025, 05:07:05 PM --- I am currently looking at the Wiegman Film from Gary Mack's "Unsolved History JFK, Death in Dealey Plaza" DVD. You previously mentioned the older guy wearing a Fedora standing atop the Island. To his (R) is a lady with a purse hanging from her (L) arm. There is open space between this Purse Lady and the Fedora Man. Through this open space I can clearly see all the way back to that car parked in front of the Huge Gates on the other side of the Elm St Ext. I can see the Top, rear window, (L) rear fender, (L) rear tail light, and the upper portion of the trunk lid of this car. My seeing this car would be blocked if a car was parked directly behind the Fedora Man and the Purse Lady alongside the island. Maybe your error is due to the inferior copy of the Wiegman Film that you are basing your conclusions on? The discovery of this car moving down the Elm St Ext while the JFK Limo was still on Elm St is a major find. The "Coupla Guys" walking away from that car on the Couch/Darnell Films is extremely suspicious. I believe they are attached to that car.
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\ To test the location of the car either parked along the south (or north) curb of the Elm Extension, as seen in the Wiegman film, I plotted Wiegman’s position with test south curb versus north curb cars on a DP map. The plot showed the north curb car about twice the distance from the camera compared to a south curb car. Then for equal sized cars the north curb car would appear about one half the size of the south curb car to Wiegman’s camera. I made a quick 3D view animation to demonstrate this and added a 5.5’ black suit man for comparison. It looks to me that the Wiegman car is nearer to the south curb. Note that I gave the test cars a steel-blue color (not white) for the 3D animation for modeling development use.
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