Practice, Practice, Practice

[Charles Collins]

Another lone-gunman theorist exercise in self-delusion, misrepresentation, and omission of contrary facts.

Notice there's not one word about the WC's rifle test, which used the alleged murder weapon itself, or the 1967 CBS rifle test. In the WC's test, three Master-rated riflemen utterly failed to duplicate Oswald's alleged shooting feat, even though they fired from only 30 feet up, took as much time as they wanted for their first shot, and were not required to fire through a half-open window in cramped quarters.

BTW, here's what WC staffer Wesley Liebeler said about Oswald's alleged "practice" and the alleged shooting feat in internal WC memos in which Liebeler critiqued the draft of the Warren Report (all the memos are reprinted in 11 HSCA):

1. I do not believe there is any real authority for the proposition that Oswald sighted through the telescopic sight on the porch in New Orleans. Marina Oswald first said she did not know what he did with the rifle out on the porch, and then was led into a statement which might be thought to support the instant proposition. It is not very convincing. . . .

I do not see how someone can conclude that a shot is easy or hard unless he knows something about how long the firer has to shoot, that is, how much time allotted for the shots.

4. On the nature of the shots--Frazier testified that one would have no difficulty in hitting a target with a telescopic sight, since all you have to do is put the crosshairs on the target. On page 51 of the galleys, however, he testified that shots fired by FBI agents with the assassination weapon were "a few inches high and to the right of the target * * * because of a defect in the scope."

Apparently no one knows when that defect appeared, or if it was in the scope at the time of the assassination. If it was, and in the absence of any evidence to the contrary one may assume that it was, putting the crosshairs on the target would clearly have resulted in a miss, or it very likely would, in any event. I have raised this question before.

There is a great deal of testimony in the record that a telescopic sight is a sensitive proposition. You can't leave a rifle and scope laying around in a garage underfoot for almost 3 months, just having brought it back from New Orleans in the back of a station wagon, and expect to hit anything with it, unless you take the trouble to fire it and sight the scope in.

This would have been a problem that should have been dealt with in any event, and now that it turns out that there actually was a defect in the scope, it is perfectly clear that the question must be considered. The present draft leaves the Commission open to severe criticism. Furthermore, to the extent that it leaves testimony suggesting that the shots might not have been so easy out of the discussion, thereby giving only a part of the story, it is simply dishonest.

And when we consider the information that this thread's OP omits, I think it is clear that the OP is likewise "simply dishonest." To get more of an idea of the key information that Charles Collins is ignoring, see my posts in these threads:

The 1967 CBS Rifle Test: More Evidence Against the Lone-Gunman Theory
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4580.0.html

What Would a Valid Lone-Gunman Rifle Test Look Like?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4589.0.html

When Could Oswald Have "Zeroed" (Sighted-In) the Alleged Murder Weapon?
https://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php/topic,4543.0.html

Here’s some of what Howard wrote about Wesley Liebeler in his book “History Will Prove Us Right” page 116:

With Liebeler, conversation was never far from debate. Few things gave him more pleasure than decimating a colleague’s reasoning or written work. Years later, when Liebeler stayed at my house for an extended period, he engaged my wife in a lively debate about what materials could or could not properly be put down the kitchen garbage disposal. One day while we were at work, he put a sign over the sink reminding her to mend her errant ways in this regard.


The point of this thread is that none of the “Expert Riflemen” had extensive practice practically every night on the screened porch in New Orleans (or anything comparable). Therefore any attempt to declare their tests a valid comparison to LHO’s shooting is ridiculous.

[Tom Graves]

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Of course, this still does not explain the smoke-and-bang show at the GK.

It leaves open the possibility LHO as the shooter, but does not rule others as the shooter(s).

By some accounts there were three wild misses on 11/22. Interesting.

How many witnesses said there was smoke at the GK?

How many witnesses said there were three wild misses?

Do you think the three wild misses were intended as a big distraction from what was really happening, or that the evil, evil CIA/Mafia snipers were just really crummy shots?

[Tom Graves]

Many folks believe the shots were fired much faster than 10.2 seconds.

Okay, but perceived times and memories thereof are malleable during and after sudden "startling" situations.

The fact remains that the following earwitnesses to the first shot all consciously reacted to it by Z-150, and it takes most people one to one-and-a-half seconds to consciously react to something loud and unexpected.

Roy Kellerman (SS Agent in limo) begins leaning over and looking behind/down to the right in Z-148

George Hickey (SS Agent in follow-up car) begins leaning over to the left looking down in the direction of the rear tire or ground in Z-144

Governor Connally begins a quick head turn left (followed by quickly looking back right) in Z-150

Jackie Kennedy starts accelerated head turning left, before looking back right. (Similar to John Connally’s L-R head motion but starts slightly earlier & ends slightly later than his) in Z-144

President Kennedy starts a quick look to the left in Z-143

Nellie Connally begins a quick sweeping head turn to the right in Z-145

Rosemary Willis begins a quick look away from the Presidential limo back towards the Texas School Book Depository in Z-140


https://assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/


Also note that one of Gloria Calvery's colleagues (the dressed-in-all-white gal -- Karan Hicks or Carol Reed) is already looking away from the limo in Z-133.

[John Mytton]

Another lone-gunman theorist exercise in self-delusion, misrepresentation, and omission of contrary facts.

Notice there's not one word about the WC's rifle test, which used the alleged murder weapon itself, or the 1967 CBS rifle test. In the WC's test, three Master-rated riflemen utterly failed to duplicate Oswald's alleged shooting feat, even though they fired from only 30 feet up, took as much time as they wanted for their first shot, and were not required to fire through a half-open window in cramped quarters.

You guys are so wedded to your insane ideas that you can't see the forest for the trees, you, Griffith have specifically claimed that "they" fired at least 6 shots in Dealey Plaza which when trying to pin the murder on a lone gunman is totally batcrap crazy! It's more than likely that "they" would have tested the probability of carrying out this assassination successfully and if "they" couldn't replicate this "shooting feat" while practicing, why on Earth would they carry it out in real life with multiple shooters in various locations and even as you claim right out in front which is probably the dumbest theory in the history of dumb theories.

As the recent Trump and Kirk incidents show, the most logical way to carry out an assassination is to fire at a stationary target and Kennedy certainly was stationary on a plethora of occasions while giving speeches all over America.

The only reason Oswald took the chance was because it was his only opportunity and even then he twice missed his target which was presumably Kennedy's head.
For someone who was associated with military intelligence, you ain't that intelligent, just saying.



JohnM

[Benjamin Cole]

How many witnesses said there was smoke at the GK?

How many witnesses said there were three wild misses?

Do you think the three wild misses were intended as a big distraction from what was really happening, or that the evil, evil CIA/Mafia snipers were just really crummy shots?

TG-

Unlike everyone else, I am not sure what happened in DP, or the size of the JFKA plot, if there was one.

Sam Holland and others in the railroad crew saw the smoke-and-bang show on the GK, where a DPD'er and a Dallas  Sheriff encountered a man flashing Secret Service credentials. That is fishier than the Star Kist tuna factory.

There was the Tague shot, the Elm St. curb-sidewalk manhole cover shot and a reported strike behind the limo.

One possibility is LHO was shooting to miss, a replay of his Walker shooting expedition.

Remember, Gov. Connally said he heard two shots, and also that bullets were entering the cab of the limo as if from automatic weapons fire.

Surgeon Shaw said likely the wound the Connally's wrist came from a separate projectile, as it was a dorsal-entry wound.

The JFKA is full of non sequiturs.

Caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.