How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[Brian Doyle]

   "Generally Understood..............." ??  STOP with the Ed Forum clap trap. Present your Evidence. We'll let you know.

The film evidence has the final say (along with Graves lol)...

[Royell Storing]

The film evidence has the final say (along with Graves lol)...

  "Film evidence has the FINAL say" ??  You're the guy claiming the "Film Evidence" was altered. Now you wanna claim that the film evidence has the "FINAL Say"? You're all over the place.

[Dan O'meara]

It is generally understood that the plotters of the conspiracy went to Lovelady & Shelley and got them to lie and say they left the front steps 3 minutes after the shots because they were trying to doctor Victoria Adams' testimony in order to push it back 3 minutes in order to give Oswald time to make it down the steps...Adams was a problem because she and Styles did not see Oswald running down the NW steps...The plotters knew this so they went to Lovelady & Shelley and got them to push their times back in order to make Adams look stupid...They hadn't considered anyone closely examining Couch/Darnell at that time and seeing Lovelady & Shelley fast-walking up the extension revealing the true time...In 1974 Dallas reporter Dean Glaze got Shelley to admit that he was CIA...The rest is academic...Shelley was a major part of the conspiracy in the Lobby and guided Armstrong's "Harvey" out the back after being stopped at the front door by a cop...That is why Shelley was mentioned in Fritz's notes - but only in the context of being out front in the Lobby with Shelley 4 or 5 minutes after the shots...Kamp misrepresents that as being out front with Shelley during the shots...Kamp is a liar...

Couch/Darnell is film evidence anyone can see with their own eyes...Lovelady & Shelley's 3 minute lie is no valid substitute for what is more than obviously shown in Couch/Darnell...Stubbornly repeating it over and over while ignoring the plainly-visible evidence is not a credible research practice...Once you've proven Lovelady & Shelley are the men on the extension then the man in front of Calvery on the steps automatically becomes Molina...

.Kamp is a liar...

As Royell correctly points out, you really are all over the place.
You constantly discredit Kamp yet your identification of Lovelady in Darnell is based solely on his work.
One minute you're saying that conspirators made Shelley lie then you're saying Shelley is one of the conspirators!
You constantly insist the man on the steps is Molina, when the man isn't wearing a white shirt and Molina specifically testifies that he had no interaction with anyone on the steps.
Take a deep breath and have a little think about the evidence.

[Royell Storing]

.Kamp is a liar...

As Royell correctly points out, you really are all over the place.
You constantly discredit Kamp yet your identification of Lovelady in Darnell is based solely on his work.
One minute you're saying that conspirators made Shelley lie then you're saying Shelley is one of the conspirators!
You constantly insist the man on the steps is Molina, when the man isn't wearing a white shirt and Molina specifically testifies that he had no interaction with anyone on the steps.
Take a deep breath and have a little think about the evidence.

   I continue looking forward to your fleshing out your theory that Shelley/Lovelady entered the TSBD through the front door. That's an original concept and does answer many timeline issues.

[Brian Doyle]

Front entry doesn't make sense because it doesn't line up with Adams & Styles' descent of the steps or Truly & Bakers' entry in to the First Floor...

As can be seen in Couch/Darnell, Lovelady & Shelley are headed up to the Train Yard where they went back in to the Depository through the west entry doors...

Obviously, Adams & Styles squeaked out the rear exit just before Truly & Baker ran in and were on the stairs just ahead of where Oswald needed to be in his alleged run down from the 6th Floor...It was actually Mrs Garner who was the one who should have seen and heard Oswald but didn't from her spot on the 4th Floor landing...

[Royell Storing]

Front entry doesn't make sense because it doesn't line up with Adams & Styles' descent of the steps or Truly & Bakers' entry in to the First Floor...

As can be seen in Couch/Darnell, Lovelady & Shelley are headed up to the Train Yard where they went back in to the Depository through the west entry doors...

Obviously, Adams & Styles squeaked out the rear exit just before Truly & Baker ran in and were on the stairs just ahead of where Oswald needed to be in his alleged run down from the 6th Floor...It was actually Mrs Garner who was the one who should have seen and heard Oswald but didn't from her spot on the 4th Floor landing...

    Give O'meara the opportunity to present his case. It is Compelling and New. There is seldom anything New presented in the JFK Assassination. His Shelley/Lovelady "front door" scenario merits serious consideration.

[Royell Storing]

So many researchers have swallowed down the 'sharpened' image supposedly identifying Shelley and Lovelady on the Elm Street Extension approximately 20-25 seconds after the shooting.
What these researchers reach for is the WC testimonies of these men in which they state they wandered along the extension after the shooting.
However, what these same researchers are willing to ignore in the same testimonies boggles the mind:

Both men state they remained on the steps after the shooting until Gloria Calvery came up to the steps.
Both men testified that it was at least 3 minutes until Gloria came running up.
Both men testified that they only left the steps after listening to Gloria talk about the shooting.
Both men testified that they then moved out to the "little old island" after interacting with Gloria.
Both men testified that it was AFTER they left the steps that they turned around and saw Truly and Baker still outside the building.

The WC testimony of both men is a tissue of easily disprovable lies. Lies disproven by the Darnell/Couch footage. Disproven by the Truly/Baker time trials. Disproven by the testimony of Victoria Adams who saw both men on the first floor approximately 60 seconds after the shooting. Disproven by their own same-day affidavits, which make no mention of this fictitious trip along the extension.
Below is a still from the Darnell footage taken approximately 20 seconds after the shooting. This is the same moment the "fake" Shelley and Lovelady are walking along the extension. It shows the moment Gloria reaches the steps and is telling everyone about the shooting. Lovelady is directly in front of her listening to what she is saying. Shelley is near the bottom of the steps after returning from the "little old island" where he met Gloria running the other way.



It is physically impossible for Shelley and Lovelady to be walking along the extension in the Darnell/Couch footage if they have to wait for Gloria to arrive.

   BUMP