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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #273 on: Yesterday at 11:24:46 PM »

For the purpose of identifying Lovelady and Shelley I guess it doesn't really matter if it is 20 seconds after the shots...I prefer a little longer because it gives Adams & Styles time to squeak out the rear exit just ahead of Truly & Baker...

Baker saw Oswald standing stationary looking out on to the 2nd Floor staircase landing...When Oswald saw a cop suddenly appear he flinched back and went in to the Lunch Room...This triggered Baker's cop pursuit instincts and he went after Oswald in to the Lunch Room...Baker could never tell the Commission he saw Oswald slack-jawed and looking out at the staircase landing because it would show he was in the 2nd Floor Lunch Room during the assassination like Hosty admitted to Nigel Turner...What caused Oswald to get up from his lunch and go to the Vestibule door window was Adams & Styles as they clattered by on the landing...The one question the Commission never asked Truly & Baker was "Do you think Oswald was in the Lunch Room the whole time?"...

   Yes, I too believe that the :20 time stamping is too quick for Officer Baker to accelerate up Houston St, turn onto Elm St around the Camera Cars, park his motorcycle at the Elm St. curb, run up the crowded sidewalk, and then cross the Island onto the Elm St Ext.
   Even with this extended timeline, I do Not believe that is Shelley/Lovelady walking down the Elm St Ext on the Couch/Darnell films. I believe that Dan O'meara has done an excellent job of disproving this being Shelley/Lovelady.

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How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #274 on: Today at 12:51:25 AM »


   In Kamp's sharp enlargements you can see Shelley's black jacket and white button down shirt collar coming up above his jacket collar...Shelley's "Duck's Ass" hair doo is also seen...Lovelady's plaid shirt pattern and bald spot are visible...The timing is also the exact time that they were said to head up to the Knoll to check out what Gloria Calvery told them...Pretty much a done deal...

What makes the pair definitely Lovelady & Shelley with reasonable certainty is the fact Shelley can be seen pulling up and turning his head to talk to Karan Hicks as she ran by...It is very quick but you can see it in the best slow motion Gerda Dunkel You Tube blow-ups...For some reason Shelley changed talking to Karan Hicks at the concrete island to Gloria Calvery...That swap may have been an honest mistake due to memory or a deliberate muddying of evidence to avoid any witnessing of the conspiracy...

I think I did a bugaboo and called Calvery "Westbrook" in other posts...(Ooops)

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #275 on: Today at 01:08:29 AM »

   In Kamp's sharp enlargements you can see Shelley's black jacket and white button down shirt collar coming up above his jacket collar...Shelley's "Duck's Ass" hair doo is also seen...Lovelady's plaid shirt pattern and bald spot are visible...The timing is also the exact time that they were said to head up to the Knoll to check out what Gloria Calvery told them...Pretty much a done deal...

What makes the pair definitely Lovelady & Shelley with reasonable certainty is the fact Shelley can be seen pulling up and turning his head to talk to Karan Hicks as she ran by...It is very quick but you can see it in the best slow motion Gerda Dunkel You Tube blow-ups...For some reason Shelley changed talking to Karan Hicks at the concrete island to Gloria Calvery...That swap may have been an honest mistake due to memory or a deliberate muddying of evidence to avoid any witnessing of the conspiracy...

I think I did a bugaboo and called Calvery "Westbrook" in other posts...(Ooops)

   Above, you say, "... the exact time that THEY were said to head up to the knoll to check out what Gloria Calvery told them.." Who claimed this is the "exact time" that Shelley/Lovelady went "Up to the knoll". And by "up to the knoll", are you referring to the Island Corner across from the TSBD? Crossing the Elm St Ext and possibly STANDING on/near that Island is Not where we see the "2 Guys" on the Couch/Darnell films. Those "2 Guys" are in the middle of the Elm St Ext, on the driver's side of the car and IN MOTION moving down the Elm St Ext toward the train yard.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #276 on: Today at 01:56:21 AM »
Oh, dear, this is not going the way Royell had hoped. Let's see, if Royell's and Dan's Fake Shelley and Lovelady are in fact Real Shelley and Lovelady, as they of course are, then where are the conspirators who just exited the Getaway Car in Royell's exotic scenario? Readers await your next move, Royell and Fake Dan, with eager anticipation.

We must, of course, also write Fake Email Bogus Imposter Kamp out of the scenario as well. Oh, dear, how embarrassing.

Bart Kamp has been, of course, the leading proponent of Prayer Man. Notwithstanding this, he has done an amazing amount of valuable research and has assembled one of the truly great JFKA resources, which I have consulted at least a hundred times (just as I have done with the John Armstrong Collection). I find it beyond ludicrous that he would be accused of manipulating an image to generate a Fake Shelley and Lovelady for no conceivable purpose. That this is silly thread has gone on as long as it has tells you WAY more about his accusers than about Bart.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #277 on: Today at 02:38:45 AM »
Oh, dear, this is not going the way Royell had hoped. Let's see, if Royell's and Dan's Fake Shelley and Lovelady are in fact Real Shelley and Lovelady, as they of course are, then where are the conspirators who just exited the Getaway Car in Royell's exotic scenario? Readers await your next move, Royell and Fake Dan, with eager anticipation.

We must, of course, also write Fake Email Bogus Imposter Kamp out of the scenario as well. Oh, dear, how embarrassing.

Bart Kamp has been, of course, the leading proponent of Prayer Man. Notwithstanding this, he has done an amazing amount of valuable research and has assembled one of the truly great JFKA resources, which I have consulted at least a hundred times (just as I have done with the John Armstrong Collection). I find it beyond ludicrous that he would be accused of manipulating an image to generate a Fake Shelley and Lovelady for no conceivable purpose. That this is silly thread has gone on as long as it has tells you WAY more about his accusers than about Bart.

    The Couch/Darnell images show: (1) Shelley/Lovelady still in front of the TSBD , (2) Officer Baker having almost reached the TSBD, and, (3) "2 Guys" behind Officer Baker walking alongside the car. ALL of this is happening simultaneously. It is physically impossible for the "2 Guys" to be Shelley/Lovelady. Shelley/Lovelady can Not be in 2 different places simultaneously.

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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #278 on: Today at 02:49:28 AM »
Oh, dear, this is not going the way Royell had hoped. Let's see, if Royell's and Dan's Fake Shelley and Lovelady are in fact Real Shelley and Lovelady, as they of course are, then where are the conspirators who just exited the Getaway Car in Royell's exotic scenario? Readers await your next move, Royell and Fake Dan, with eager anticipation.

We must, of course, also write Fake Email Bogus Imposter Kamp out of the scenario as well. Oh, dear, how embarrassing.

Bart Kamp has been, of course, the leading proponent of Prayer Man. Notwithstanding this, he has done an amazing amount of valuable research and has assembled one of the truly great JFKA resources, which I have consulted at least a hundred times (just as I have done with the John Armstrong Collection). I find it beyond ludicrous that he would be accused of manipulating an image to generate a Fake Shelley and Lovelady for no conceivable purpose. That this is silly thread has gone on as long as it has tells you WAY more about his accusers than about Bart.


John Armstrong, and his cultish online reps, I know you know first hand, because you inspired me by your discovery and interpretation of new, in 1963 postal money order File Locator Numbers enabling a new storage and retrieval scheme of cashed PMOs and the renumbering of the Dallas PO blank money order inventory, is incapable of changing anything new research renders his conclusions and theories obsolete. He just does not want to know any new discovery or analysis because it tends to be much less nefarious than what he thought and presented.

Then, months later, Armstrong and DiEugenio attempted to credit Armstrong with our research results!
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https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/u-s-postal-money-orders
Friday, 12 February 2016 14:27
U.S. Postal Money Orders
Written by John Armstrong
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John Armstrong reveals the details of how money orders were processed in 1963 by the United States Postal Service in order to furnish a backdrop for demonstrating the alleged ordering of the Mannlicher Carcano by Oswald could not have occurred as the Warren Commission and FBI claim.
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What a sleazy move, a sign of such deep insecurity!
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Re: How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?
« Reply #279 on: Today at 03:24:46 AM »


John Armstrong, and his cultish online reps, I know you know first hand, because you inspired me by your discovery and interpretation of new, in 1963 postal money order File Locator Numbers enabling a new storage and retrieval scheme of cashed PMOs and the renumbering of the Dallas PO blank money order inventory, is incapable of changing anything new research renders his conclusions and theories obsolete. He just does not want to know any new discovery or analysis because it tends to be much less nefarious than what he thought and presented.

Then, months later, Armstrong and DiEugenio attempted to credit Armstrong with our research results!

https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/u-s-postal-money-orders

But that's my point: Bart Kamp and John Armstrong can both be off on what I regard as CT wild goose chases, but they still did am amazing amount of work that is a valuable resource even for a dedicated LNer. That was what Walt Brown said when he recommended Harvey and Lee (the book) - it's a heck of a resource even if the theory (and some of the research) is wrong.