How Did Bart Kamp Create The Lovelady Image?

[John Corbett]

  So tell this Forum your own explanation for ALL of this. My "challenge" stands.

I don't have an explanation because there isn't enough information to form one. I can speculate about a possible scenario without stating it as if it were fact which is what you do.

A car started down the Elm St. extension, only to be stopped as the motorcade reached Houston and Elm. Once the shots were fired, there was resulting chaos. Traffic came to a standstill and the occupant(s) realizing they weren't going to be able to exit any time soon, simply parked the car and left on foot to wherever they were intending to go. They came back 3 hours later after things had calmed down.

There's as much evidence for my scenario as there is for yours and while yours sounds more interesting, mine is mundane and far more plausible. It doesn't require me to assume there was a sniper team inside the TSBD for which there is no evidence.

[Tommy Shanks]

It doesn't require me to assume there was a sniper team inside the TSBD for which there is no evidence.

But John, Royell Storing has PROVEN that it's a getaway car 

[John Corbett]

But John, Royell Storing has PROVEN that it's a getaway car 

To his satisfaction.

[Royell Storing]

I don't have an explanation because there isn't enough information to form one. I can speculate about a possible scenario without stating it as if it were fact which is what you do.

A car started down the Elm St. extension, only to be stopped as the motorcade reached Houston and Elm. Once the shots were fired, there was resulting chaos. Traffic came to a standstill and the occupant(s) realizing they weren't going to be able to exit any time soon, simply parked the car and left on foot to wherever they were intending to go. They came back 3 hours later after things had calmed down.

There's as much evidence for my scenario as there is for yours and while yours sounds more interesting, mine is mundane and far more plausible. It doesn't require me to assume there was a sniper team inside the TSBD for which there is no evidence.

   For starters, do you know for a fact that whoever parked that car in the "NO PARKING........" Zone, did come back? Do you know for certain that this "getaway" car was Not towed out of Dealey Plaza by law enforcement?
   I am the only person over 62+ years to ever notice that this car is Not on the Wiegman Film. And, I am NOW tying those 2 Guys moving away from the car on the Couch Film to this same car. I have now Proven that these 2 Guys are NOT Shelley and Lovelady. Brick by Brick, Fact by Fact, I continue proving that this car was an intended "getaway" car. To this point, nobody has produced anything that disproves my claim. My Challenge Stands!

[John Corbett]

   For starters, do you know for a fact that whoever parked that car in the "NO PARKING........" Zone, did come back? Do you know for certain that this "getaway" car was Not towed out of Dealey Plaza by law enforcement?

Of course I don't know. That's why I said up front there wasn't enough information for me to give an explanation. There is only room for speculation since there are so many unknowns. The difference between us is I know when I am speculating while you treat your speculations as if they are proven facts. To be fair, you aren't the only conspiracy hobbyist I have dealt with over the years who exhibits this trait. I find it to be quite common and almost a requirement to be a conspiracy hobbyist.

   I am the only person over 62+ years to ever notice that this car is Not on the Wiegman Film.

That should tell you something....but probably won't.

And, I am NOW tying those 2 Guys moving away from the car on the Couch Film to this same car. I have now Proven that these 2 Guys are NOT Shelley and Lovelady. Brick by Brick, Fact by Fact, I continue proving that this car was an intended "getaway" car. To this point, nobody has produced anything that disproves my claim. My Challenge Stands!

This is where you turn to speculation. You haven't proven jack. You don't even understand what constitutes proof. The person with the hypothesis has the burden of proof. It is up to you to prove your hypothesis. Nobody else has the burden of disproving it. It's all on you to prove what you claim. It's as if I proposed that there are herds of pink unicorns roaming on the far side of the moon and the reason none of our spacecraft have observed them is because they duck into a deep crater whenever they detect a spacecraft flying by. Prove me wrong. If you can't, it must be a fact.

[Royell Storing]

Of course I don't know. That's why I said up front there wasn't enough information for me to give an explanation. There is only room for speculation since there are so many unknowns. The difference between us is I know when I am speculating while you treat your speculations as if they are proven facts. To be fair, you aren't the only conspiracy hobbyist I have dealt with over the years who exhibits this trait. I find it to be quite common and almost a requirement to be a conspiracy hobbyist.

That should tell you something....but probably won't.

This is where you turn to speculation. You haven't proven jack. You don't even understand what constitutes proof. The person with the hypothesis has the burden of proof. It is up to you to prove your hypothesis. Nobody else has the burden of disproving it. It's all on you to prove what you claim. It's as if I proposed that there are herds of pink unicorns roaming on the far side of the moon and the reason none of our spacecraft have observed them is because they duck into a deep crater whenever they detect a spacecraft flying by. Prove me wrong. If you can't, it must be a fact.

    I have proven that is NOT LOVELADY walking next to the car on the Couch Film. This was repeated by people such as yourself for 62+ years to the point of being widely accepted. To this day you are echoing this JFK Urban Legend. The Image Evidence which includes Officer Baker is conclusively. Lovelady is Not one of those "2 Guys" walking away from the car on the Couch Film. So what 2 guys could get into this position alongside the car only 20 seconds after the kill shot?    Answer - "2 Guys" that were previously sitting inside that car.

[Royell Storing]

Common Sense tells us it is impossible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps, tell everyone there about the assassination, after which Shelley and Lovelady are pictured walking down the Elm St Ext.
100% that did not happen.
Trolls like Tom are not interested in Common Sense or what's possible in reality.
As far as he is concerned, Kamp has magically produced an image of Lovelady and no amount of evidence can change what's left of his mind.

However, it is perfectly possible for Gloria to make it back to the front steps in the allotted time, where Darnell pictured her telling Lovelady and everyone on the steps about the assassination:

   This is a Blowup of a Darnell Film still frame. That figure you see showing a ton of "forehead" is Lovelady. He is standing on almost the very same spot as we saw him on the classic Altgens photo. This is Lovelady. This is 20 seconds after the Kill Shot.

[Royell Storing]

Royell steered me to a Couch clip which is the best quality I've come across:



I cropped and blew up the two men:



There is a hint of something on the shirt in this image that may be a pattern but I wouldn't have an idea how to get it to stand out.
Maybe someone who knows what they're doing can have a go.

   This is a still frame from the Couch Film. On the extreme (R) we see Officer Baker running toward the TSBD front door. This is only 20 seconds after the Kill Shot. Those "2 Guys" you see alongside the car, have just gotten out of that car. Officer Baker and Officer Smith having just run by this intended "getaway" car, have flushed them out of the car.