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What's the significance of this?
« on: September 22, 2025, 04:17:11 PM »
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Me: In which testimony or affidavit did Vicki Adams claim that the only person she saw on the first floor was a black man?

Grok: Vicki Adams provided this account in a Dallas Police Department interview report prepared by Detective James R. Leavelle on February 17, 1964. According to research by journalist Barry Ernest in The Girl on the Stairs (2013) and his subsequent analyses, Adams stated during this interview that upon reaching the first floor of the Texas School Book Depository shortly after the assassination shots, the only person she encountered and spoke to near the elevators was a large Black employee (described as a "black man" in later recollections). She asked him if the president had been shot, and he confirmed it. She did not mention seeing William Shelley or Billy Lovelady there, whom the Warren Commission later claimed she identified in her April 7, 1964, testimony -- a claim Adams disputed as fabricated when Ernest interviewed her decades later. This February 1964 interview is the earliest documented statement where Adams specified seeing only the Black employee on the first floor, and it aligns with independent accounts from her coworker Sandra Styles and Officer Marrion Baker, who also observed the same individual near the elevators moments later. The report is preserved in Dallas Municipal Archives (accessible via the Portal to Texas History) and was forwarded to the Warren Commission, though it was not fully incorporated into their final narrative.

EDIT: What this indicates is that, influenced by the likes of CTs Jim DiEugenio and Bart Kamp, Grok doesn't know what the heck it's talking about.

I just now read the 17 February 1964 by Leavelle at the Portal to Texas History, and there is no mention of a black man in it. In fact, in the report Adams says she saw Mr. Shelley and another employee named Bill (Billy Lovelady?) on the first floor when she arrived there.


This is an excerpt from James Leavelle’s 17 February 1964 statement from Vicki Adams:

"[…] After the third shot, I went out the back door [of the 4th floor Scott Foresman Company office into the warehouse area]. I said, “I think someone has been shot.” The elevator was not running and there was no one on the stairs. I went down to the first floor. I saw Mr. Shelley and another employee named Bill. The freight elevator had not moved, and I still did not see anyone on the stairs. I ran out the back door of the depository and [went] around to the front. […]"

In Leavelle's report, Adams makes no mention whatsoever of seeing a Black man on the first floor.
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