Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

    Everybody here is onna journey. We are all at different points in our journey. I don't agree with many of the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers that contribute here, but I do respect their opinions and many times ask them backstage for their opinion(s) on something I am currently researching/examining. Somebody looking at an issue from a different angle can open your eyes to something you have missed or not even thought about. Know your limitations. 

[Tom Graves]

Everybody here is on a journey. We are all at different points in our journey. I don't agree with many of the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers that contribute here, but I do respect their opinions and many times ask them backstage for their opinion(s) on something I am currently researching/examining. Somebody looking at an issue from a different angle can open your eyes to something you have missed or not even thought about. Know your limitations.

Storing: Do you see the two guys moving right alongside the "island/triangle" [in the Couch clip]?

Me: I can see two guys walking / running down the Elm Street Extension sidewalk towards the railway yard about 25 seconds after the final shot.

Storing: Do you see one of these guys is wearing all dark? Probably a dark suit?

Me: Yes.

Storing: Do you see the other guy is shorter and wearing a light-colored shirt of some kind?

Me: Yes, a bold "checkered" or "plaid" long-sleeved shirt.

Storing: Do you see both of the guys are walking toward the railroad yard?

Me: See above.

Storing: Do you see Officer Smith running in front of these two guys?

Me: Yes. I assume that's Officer Smith.

Storing: Do you see that Officer Smith has reached The Huge Gates?

Me: Yes.

Storing: Do you know Officer Smith's timeline?

Me: Just (from memory) that during the motorcade he was standing at the intersection of Elm and Houston, and a few seconds after the final shot a crying woman whom he'd either intercepted or who had come running up to him (or both) told him, "they're shooting at the President from the bushes!!!," or words to that effect, so he ran down Elm Street Extension in the direction of the railway yard to see if he could apprehend the suspect(s), and he ended up behind the picket fence where he allegedly saw a man who volunteered his "Secret Service" identification to him, but Smith didn't take a close look at.

Or something like that.

Storing: Personally, I believe the Couch Film "reverse negative" is fairly definitive as to the Lovelady/Shelley timeline.

Me: How is the "reverse negative Couch film" more helpful in that regard that the normal Couch film?

Storing: They were at the "island/triangle" at somewhere around 45+ seconds after the Kill Shot.

Me: You mean the area by the traffic signal pole and traffic signs directly across Elm Street Extension from the TSBD steps? That "island" or "peninsula"? How could that be if they were "captured" about 60 feet west of the steps in Couch-Darnell as they were walking / running towards the railway yard about 25 seconds after the final shot?

Storing: Unless of course, you believe these two guys are two other people.

Me: I don't, but danny Boy o'meara sure wants me to. His tinfoil-hat JFKA CT is evidently different from yours. Imagine that!

Storing: That's certainly possible, but far from probable. [emphasis added]

Me: Why do you say that?

Storing: You have viewed the Couch Film "reverse negative," right?

Me: I think so. Couple of times. Depends on what you mean by "reverse negative" -- i.e., "what's 'left' in the normal film is 'right' in the "reverse negative film," and vice-versa," or "what's 'black' in the normal film is 'white' in the "reverse negative film," and vice versa? What the heck do you mean by "reverse negative"? Suffice it to say I watched both of the clips you so graciously sent to me via the Forum's personal messenger thingy. Didn't learn anything I didn't already know from watching the regular Couch film. Should I watch them again? Are they longer than the regular Couch clip?

Storing: If not, you need to get off the dime. It's this kind of lackluster effort that the Old Guard JFK Assassination Researchers have made their hallmark.

Me: LOL!

Storing: Please do not follow in their footsteps.

Me: Don't worry, I ain't goin' anywhere NEAR them spooky-lookin' HUGE GATES!!!

[Tim Nickerson]

Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.



The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.
At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

I don't believe that the person marked as being Lovelady in that Darnell frame is Lovelady. The image has clearly been altered to help give the appearance that it is Lovelady. However, just for the sake of argument, what are the ramifications if it is Lovelady? Give it to me here in short form. I don't feel like reading through the thread.

[Tom Graves]

I don't believe that the person marked as being Lovelady in that Darnell frame is Lovelady. The image has clearly been altered to help give the appearance that it is Lovelady. However, just for the sake of argument, what are the ramifications if it is Lovelady? Give it to me here in short form. I don't feel like reading through the thread.

"Altered"?

LOL!

Regardless, as I understand O'meara's theory, if it's Lovelady, it suggests that 1) he and Shelley were telling the truth in their early affidavits when they said they entered the TSBD front door about 30 seconds after the final shot, 2) that it was Shelley and Lovelady whom Officer Baker was referring to in his WC testimony when he volunteered that he noticed two white men, one sitting, not far from the elevators when he and Truly were trying to get the elevators to come down, 3) which in turn suggests that Vicki Adams really did see Lovelady and/or Shelley when she and Styles got to the first floor via the stairs, 4) which corroborates Adams' testimony that she and Styles started coming down about 15 seconds after the final shot, 5) and since neither Adams and Styles nor Baker and Truly saw Oswald on the stairs, he couldn't have been up on the sixth floor during the assassination, 6) and therefore, the self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter was innocent, innocent, innocent!!!

Or something like that.

OH YEAH, AND THAT THE WARREN COMMISSION WAS A NO-GOOD, DIRTY-ROTTEN SHAM!!!!!

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=%22sam+the+sham%22&&mid=26CDFAABD94E5BBC3F0926CDFAABD94E5BBC3F09&&FORM=VRDGAR

[Tim Nickerson]

"Altered"?

LOL!

Regardless, as I understand O'meara's theory, if it's Lovelady, it suggests that 1) he and Shelley were telling the truth in their early affidavits when they said they entered the TSBD front door about 30 seconds after the final shot, 2) that it was Shelley and Lovelady whom Officer Baker was referring to in his WC testimony when he volunteered that he noticed two white men, one sitting, not far from the elevators when he and Truly were trying to get the elevators to come down, 3) which in turn suggests that Vicki Adams really did see Lovelady and/or Shelley when she and Styles got to the first floor via the stairs, 4) which corroborates Adams' testimony that she and Styles started coming down about 15 seconds after the final shot, 5) and since neither Adams and Styles nor Baker and Truly saw Oswald on the stairs, he couldn't have been up on the sixth floor during the assassination, 6) and therefore, the self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter was innocent, innocent, innocent!!!

Or something like that.

OH YEAH, AND THAT THE WARREN COMMISSION WAS A NO-GOOD, DIRTY-ROTTEN SHAM!!!!!

https://www.bing.com/videos/riverview/relatedvideo?&q=%22sam+the+sham%22&&mid=26CDFAABD94E5BBC3F0926CDFAABD94E5BBC3F09&&FORM=VRDGAR

Lovelady and Shelley did not say in their early affidavits that they entered the TSBD front door about 30 seconds after the final shot.

Adams and Styles not seeing Oswald on the stairs does not mean that he couldn't have been up on the sixth floor during the assassination.

[Tom Graves]

Lovelady and Shelley did not say in their early affidavits that they entered the TSBD front door about 30 seconds after the final shot.

O'meara takes the following to suggest that they did:

Lovelady’s first Affidavit on 11/22/63

I work at Texas School Book Depository at 411 Elm. On Friday November 22nd, 1963, I worked on the 6th floor along with Danny Arce, Jack Dougherty, Bill Shelley, Charles Givens. When the President came by Bill Shelly and I were standing on the steps in front of the building where I work. After he had passed by and was about 50 yards past us, I heard three shots. There was a slight pause after the first shot then the next two were right close together. I could not tell where the shots came from but sounded like they were across the street from us. However, that could have been caused by the echo. After it was over we went back into the building and took some police officers up to search the building. Our lunch period is from 12 to 12:45PM. All of us had left the sixth floor to see the President.

(LOL)

And this one, somehow, too:

Excerpt from Lovelady’s 11/22/63 FBI report

 On November 22nd, 1963, Lovelady and his foreman, Bill Shelley, were standing on the front doorstep at 411 Elm Street at about 12:30 PM watching the presidential motorcade pass. At about this time he heard three shots. At first he thought it was a firecracker or the backfire of a motorcycle. He could not tell from which direction the shots came. He said immediately after hearing the shots he and Shelly started running towards the presidential car, but it sped away west on Elm Street under the triple underpass. He and Shelley then returned to the Texas School Book Depository building. During this time he saw no one run out of the building or saw any suspicious individuals.

And this one by William Shelley!:

William Shelley’s first “Affidavit in Any Fact” to the DPD on 11/22/63

Today approximately 12:30 PM November 22nd, 1963 I was standing on the front steps at 411 Elm watching the president in the motorcade. The president's car was almost halfway from Houston St. to the triple underpass when I heard what sounded like three shots. I couldn't tell where they were coming from. I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the president had been shot. This girl's name is Gloria Cavalry who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building and went inside and called my wife and told her what happened. I was on the 1st floor then and I stayed at the elevator and was told not to let anyone out of the elevator. I left the elevator and went with the police on up to the other floors. I left Jack Dougherty in charge of the elevator.

Unfortunately, this one doesn't address the issue:

William Shelley’s second “Affidavit in Any Fact” to the DPD on 11/22/63
 
Approximately October 10th or 12th, 1963 a man by the name of Lee Oswald w/male/ 21, came to work where I do. I was put in charge of him by Mr. Truly to show him what to do. I have been working close with his man since he has been there. This man stayed by himself most of the time and would go for a walk at noon time. Lee would bring his lunch usually and usually eat with us in the lounge and read the paper. He would usually read about politics. Today I arrived for work about 8:00 AM and went about my usual duties. Lee was already filling some orders just outside my office. I saw him periodically all morning with the exception of when we were on the 6th floor. At noon I started eating my lunch in my office and I went outside to see the president. After the president's accident, I started checking around and I missed Lee. I asked Mr. Truly about him and he told me he had not seen him. I didn't see Lee until the police brought him in to the police Homicide Bureau.

[Dan O'meara]

I don't believe that the person marked as being Lovelady in that Darnell frame is Lovelady. The image has clearly been altered to help give the appearance that it is Lovelady. However, just for the sake of argument, what are the ramifications if it is Lovelady? Give it to me here in short form. I don't feel like reading through the thread.

I don't believe that the person marked as being Lovelady in that Darnell frame is Lovelady.

What is this belief based on?

The image has clearly been altered to help give the appearance that it is Lovelady.

Errr...no offence, Tim, but that has a sightly Tinfoil whiff about it.
What are you basing this claim on?

However, just for the sake of argument, what are the ramifications if it is Lovelady?

Ironically, all this is your fault.
You posted Vicki Adams' lost interview.
In it we hear Vicki, in her own words, confirming she saw Lovelady and Shelley. More importantly, she confirms that she made some trivial corrections to the transcript of her WC testimony. One of these typos is on the same page as the claim she made about seeing Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor meaning that she was aware of this claim in her WC testimony and didn't have a problem with it.
Up to that point I had accepted the claim that the evil, evil WC Sham had inserted the Shelley/Lovelady claim into her testimony.
The lost interview proved this was not the case.
So, I did something not many researchers had thought to do - I took Vicki's testimony at face value and accepted that she did, indeed, race downstairs within seconds of the shots being fired and interacted with Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor of the TSBD building approximately 60 seconds after the shooting.

This had a few ramifications of its own:

1] The Tom Dillard pic, taken between 10 - 15 seconds after the shots and showing an empty window where Vicki and her colleagues were supposed to be, now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced off as the limo reached the underpass, followed closely by Dorothy Garner.

2] The Stroud document now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced down and out of the building before Truly and Baker reached the area near the elevators. That's the only way Vicki/Sandra could have made it down the back stairs before Truly/Baker ascended the same stairs, without either party being aware of the other.

3] The two white men in the area near the first floor elevators reported by Baker could now be identified as Shelley and Lovelady.

4] Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Rather than Shelley/Lovelady discrediting Vicki's account, it's the other way round.



After the shots Shelley ran across the Elm St Ext and bumped into an hysterical Gloria coming the other way, "hollering" about the President being shot. After telling officer Joe Smith about the shooting, Gloria (accompanied by Karan Hicks) made her way to the front steps where she told Lovelady and others about the shooting. Shelley followed behind as he returned to the steps. The Darnell footage shows the moment Gloria has just arrived at the steps and is telling Lovelady about the shooting. Shelley is walking with his back to the camera, returning from across the street, and turns to his left as he reaches the bottom of the steps in time to see Baker rushing towards him.
If there was further footage taken of this area we would see Baker, followed by Lovelady and Shelley, ascend the front steps and enter the building. Truly would be close behind.
Shelley and Lovelady made their way immediately toward the back of the first floor where Vicki called out to them as she rushed to the loading dock door. Seconds later Truly and Baker, who had been talking in the lobby, arrived in the same area.

Identifying Lovelady in Darnell is part of the proof that he and Shelley lied about their movements after the assassination.
In their WC testimonies both men testified that they were on the steps when Gloria came running up.
That it was at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived.
That after leaving the steps they turned and saw Baker and Truly about to enter the building at least 3 minutes after the assassination.
The Darnell footage demonstrates, beyond any doubt, that these are all falsehoods. This is confirmed by the Truly/Baker time trials.
It is also confirmed by the account of Vicki Adams, who saw these men near the elevators on the first floor, approximately 60 seconds after the assassination.

[Tom Graves]

Dear danny BOY o'meara,

How did your "Shelley" get such a receding hairline?