Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Tom Graves]

The key to the Lovelady WC testimony is his revealing anyone could walk from that back dock all the way straight through/into the TSBD 1st floor. or walk from the TSBD 1st floor straight through to the back dock. I have tried to lay it out for you guys, but I guess I am going to have to spell-it-out. The bushes through which "they" allegedly fired shot(s), DPD Officer Smith, and the Elm Street Extension, all were within feet of the wide open Huge Gates leading into/out of the TSBD 1st floor.   

Dear "Useful You-Know-What" Storing,

Which bushes do you think they shot from -- the poinsettias or the roses?

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  And as I pointed out previously, in the affidavit filed by Bill Newman the day of the shooting, he claimed that shot(s) were fired from, "the garden". I take "the garden" to mean these very same bushes extending down the Elm St Ext within feet of the "wide open" Huge Gates. Think of how few images there is of the Elm St Ext immediately following the Kill Shot. DPD Officer Smith ran down the Elm St Ext, but his attention was focused (W) on the bushes. Lovelady and Shelley testified that they went down the Elm St Ext, but that was 3+ minutes after the Kill Shot. And there is even more specifically tied to this same area.   

[Dan O'meara]

You wrote: "The two men [Shelley and Lovelady] never made their way along the Elm Street Extension, never hung around the railroad yards, and never re-entered the building through the west [or rear] door."

Why, then, did they say that they did, and why was distinctive-shirt-wearing / bald-spot-sporting Lovelady (and slender, suit-wearing Shelley?) captured in the Couch-Darnell film about 25 seconds after the final shot as he's walking / running towards the railroad yard down Elm Street Extension?

Hmm?

Why, then, did they say that they did,

You have a terrible habit of not properly reading the Reply's you are responding to, thomas.
Go back and read the post properly.

why was distinctive-shirt-wearing / bald-spot-sporting Lovelady (and slender, suit-wearing Shelley?) captured in the Couch-Darnell film about 25 seconds after the final shot as he's walking / running towards the railroad yard down Elm Street Extension?

They weren't.
The narrative you are trying uphold is so weak you have resorted to making things up that are flatly refuted by the evidence (such as both Lovelady and Shelley meeting Gloria on the island that's not an island).
Read the post properly.

[Dan O'meara]

Bumped for thomas to read properly

From Vicki's Feb '64 interview with Jim Leavelle,   

"Then the second shot I saw the Secret Service man run to the back of the President's car. After the third shot I went out the back door. I said, 'I think someone has been shot.' The elevator was not running and there was no one on the stairs. I went down to the first floor. I saw Mr. Shelly and another employee named Bill."

Until Barry Ernest, Vicki is consistent that she left the fourth floor within seconds of the shooting. She ran all the way down the stairs and out the north loading dock door. She was on the first floor approximately 60 seconds after the last shot and saw Lovelady and Shelley near the elevators on the first floor.
The WC Sham used the easily disprovable lies of Shelley and Lovelady to discredit Vicki's account of her descent from the fourth floor. Even though these lies flatly contradicted the time trials conducted by the Sham involving Baker and Truly (something Vicki's account did not do).
So, let's take Vicki at her word and see where that takes us.

1] The pic taken by Tom Dillard approximately 10 - 15 seconds after the head shot showing the empty 4th floor window where Vicki and her colleagues makes sense. Vicki had decided to head downstairs before the limo had even reached the underpass. She and Sandra have raced off followed by Garner. which is why the window is empty seconds after the shooting.

2] The Stroud document makes sense. The only way Vicki and Sandra could make it down the stairs before Truly and Baker came up the same stairs, without either party encountering the other, is for Vicki to head off within in seconds of the head shot, race all the way down and be through the loading dock door before Truly and Baker reached the area near the elevators.

3] Baker's observation of two white men in the area near the elevators makes sense as being Shelley and Lovelady.

4] The affidavits of Shelley and Lovelady make sense. When taken at face value, the two men never made their way along the Elm St Ext., never hung around the railroad yards and never re-entered the building through the west door. After Shelley ran across the street and returned, both men immediately re-entered the TSBD building and made their way toward the back of the first floor where they were seen by Adams and Lovelady.

5] The Baker/Truly time trials make sense. The 3 minute lie, told by both Shelley and Truly can now be ignored. Baker and Truly were not still outside the building over 3 minutes after the shooting.

6] The Darnell footage makes sense. It confirms that Baker had arrived at the bottom of the steps within a few seconds of the shots supporting the time trials and refuting the lies of Shelley and Lovelady. It confirms the accounts of both Lovelady and Frazier regarding Gloria returning to the steps and telling everyone about the shooting.

This still from Darnell shows the moment Gloria is interacting with Lovelady on the steps. Shelley has just returned from across the street. This image is taken around 30 seconds after the head shot. Vicki is already on the stairs. Baker, Truly, Shelley and Lovelady are all about to enter the lobby. Shelley and Lovelady immediately make their way to the back of the first floor followed seconds later by Truly and Baker.




If we accept Vicki's version of events there are two questions that need answering:

Why did Shelley and Lovelady lie about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting?
Why did they feel the need to race toward the back of the first floor?

[Tom Graves]

Why, then, did Shelley and Lovelady say that they did go down Elm Street Extension to the "first railroad track"?

You have a terrible habit of not properly reading the reply's you are responding to, Thomas. Go back and read the post properly.

Nice gaslighting / trolling job, Danny Boy.


Why was distinctive-shirt-wearing / bald-spot-sporting Lovelady (and slender, suit-wearing Shelley?) captured in the Couch-Darnell film about 25 seconds after the final shot as he's walking / running towards the railroad yard down Elm Street Extension?

They weren't.

Lovelady was, and probably slender, suit-wearing Shelley, too, Mister Magoo.

The narrative you are trying to uphold is so weak you have resorted to making things up that are flatly refuted by the evidence -- such as both Lovelady and Shelley met Gloria Calvery on the island that's not an island.

Lots of people referred to that concrete area directly across from the steps that had the traffic signs and which divided Elm Street proper from Elm Street Extension as "the island."

In fifty words or less, what would you call it, Mr. Semanticist?

[Tom Graves]

Dear Danny Boy O'meara,

How do you know your "Shelley" isn't Vice-President and Secretary of the Texas School Book Depository Company, Ochus V. Campbell?

http://www.prayer-man.com/tsbd/ochus-virgil-campbell/


-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

Nice gaslighting / trolling job, Danny Boy.


Why was distinctive-shirt-wearing / bald-spot-sporting Lovelady (and slender, suit-wearing Shelley?) captured in the Couch-Darnell film about 25 seconds after the final shot as he's walking / running towards the railroad yard down Elm Street Extension?

Lovelady was, and probably slender, suit-wearing Shelley, too, Mister Magoo.

Lots of people referred to that concrete area directly across from the steps that had the traffic signs and which divided Elm Street proper from Elm Street Extension as "the island."

In fifty words or less, what would you call it, Mr. Semanticist?

Lovelady was, and probably slender, suit-wearing Shelley, too, Mister Magoo.

No, they weren't.

Your 'it looks like Lovelady to me' schtick doesn't mean anything because it's refuted by the very evidence you couldn't care less about (hey...maybe that's why you don't care about it!)
That's why you've been trying to make the identification stick by 'fabricating' scenarios.

PS: the Grok thing is starting to make you look a little silly. Just sayin'
PPS: stop crying about gaslighting and read the posts properly.

[Tom Graves]

Lovelady (and probably slender, 5' 9", suit-wearing Shelley) were "captured" by Couch-Darnell as they were walking/running towards "the first railroad track" just as they said they did after speaking with Gloria Calvery (whom we can see on the steps in the same clip), about 25 seconds after the final shot.

No, they weren't.

LOL, Mister Magoo!

PS How do you know your "Shelley" isn't Vice-President and Secretary of the Texas School Book Depository Company, Ochus V. Campbell, who was standing in front of the steps near Truly during the motorcade?