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Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.
« on: Yesterday at 06:14:56 PM »
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Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.



The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.
At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

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« Reply #1 on: Yesterday at 10:54:03 PM »
If this is the case, then Lovelady was told about 70 secs post shots by Truly to guard the elevators yes?

If Lovelady is guarding the rear elevators, then the west rear elevator that supposedly had  Jack Dougherty operating it from 5th floor, never made it to the 1st floor, because surely Lovelady would have seen Dougherty ( and also Eddie Piper)?

Curiously when Victoria Adams went back inside the TSBD after a few more minutes post shots had elapsed ( unsure how many?) she went up to the 2nd floor and saw Luke Mooney trying to unsuccessfully operate the west elevator stuck on the 2nd floor.

So this suggests that the shooter was on the west elevator and  had brought it down to the 2nd floor, where he exited from it leaving it stuck on the 2nd floor.

The WC tried to establish that Jack Dougherty was using the west elevator, and brought it all the way down to 1st floor but this now is not very probable if Lovelady is at the rear elevators  being told by Truly to guard them at 70 secs post shots. And Eddie Piper never verified seeing Dougherty either.

Why did not Oswald in the 2nd floor lunchroom (confronted by Baker  90 sec post shots) see the shooter exiting the west elevator some 10-15 seconds later?

Answer: Because Oswald went into the 2nd floor office thru the vestibule door and was about to meet Mrs Reid, when the shooter exited the west elevator on 2nd floor.

Why did not Truly or Baker see the west elevator coming down, as they ascended the staircases?

Answer: Because the staircase is an L shaped type encased in walls, which blocks LOS about 50% of the ascent trek. So the coin flipped in the shooters favor and he was unseen.

Why did not Dorothy Garner see the west elevator going down?

It’s again another 50% coin flip in favor of the shooter  because it must have been at about the point Garner was looking at Baker and Truly ascending the staircase to 4th floor, when the west elevator went past the 4th floor.

Oswald therefore, could not have been the  6th floor shooter because the west elevator was seen motionless on the 5th floor by Truly looking up the shaft at 70 secs post shots. Thus Oswald starting at 75 secs operating west elevator would not make it to the 2nd floor lunchroom in time to be seen by Baker IN the lunchroom at 85-90 secs post shots.

And likewise, Oswald certainly would not make it down in time using the staircases , let alone having to pass by Mrs Garner in the 4th floor standing by the west window, for Oswald to be seen by Baker already IN the 2nd floor lunchroom at 85-90 secs  post shots.

So the shooter is either Jack Dougherty ( with no alibi, not seen by Piper nor Lovelady /Shelly on 1st floor, )or there was some other TSBD employee with no alibi, or there was some professional “contractor” whom was the shooter.

And the shooter stopped the west elevator at the 2nd floor where it stayed until Luke Mooney and Adams met there several minutes posts shots.

The shooter could have exited out of the 2nd floor west side window by the rear staircase , onto the rooftop of the annex bldg portion attached to TSBD then dropped to ground kind of like that  most recent psycho assassin did.

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Near the beginning of this footage, the camera pans across to briefly capture the front steps of the TSBD building.
Around 2017 Tom Graves and Sandy Larsen identified Gloria Calvery and a colleague (most likely Karan Hicks), at the steps.
Gloria is wearing a black headscarf, has her back to the camera and appears to be interacting with a bald man, stood higher upon the steps and facing her.
This man is Billy Lovelady.



The image above is taken 25 - 30 seconds after the headshot.
In his affidavit, taken a couple of hours after the shooting, Lovelady states he was on the front steps at the time of the shooting and that "after it was over we went back into the building."
No mention of him moving from the steps.
In his WC testimony he states he was on the steps when Gloria came running up and told him that the President had been shot. This is the moment we are witnessing in the image above.

A close examination of the GIF below (created by Chris Davidson, watch full screen and quarter speed), we see Karan Hicks (the woman in white) arriving at the steps and starting to climb them. She appears to have her arm linked with Gloria. As she climbs the steps, she seems to be briefly halted by the stationary figure of Gloria as she tells Lovelady, and others on the steps, about the shooting. Bill Shelley, returning from the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets, has his back to the camera as he takes a couple of large strides towards the steps before turning to his left and we see him in profile -
“I ran across the street to the corner of the park and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery who is an employee of this same building. I went back to the building...”
                                                                              [Shelley - affidavit 22nd Nov]

https://drive.google.com/file/d/1vobiYYwTLsuR63NZ0vX9ytxXNjlW4g8D/view?pli=1

The important aspect of Darnell is that it shows Lovelady on the steps, interacting with Gloria, as Baker arrives at the front steps.
This reveals that both Lovelady and Shelley lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting.
They were truthful in the very first statements they gave, but were quickly making up ever-changing stories until the version they settled on for the Warren Commission Sham.
After the shooting, Shelley ran across to the concrete spur dividing the Elm Streets where he met Gloria coming the other way. Gloria was crying and told him the President had been shot. As they were making their way to the TSBD building Gloria approached Officer Joe Marshall Smith and told him that someone was shooting at the President from the bushes - "she was in hysterics" Smith recalls.
At the steps Gloria told Lovelady and the others about the shooting. Immediately after this Shelley and Lovelady entered the building through the front door and made their way to the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams as she raced outside. They were the two white men that Baker saw in this area as he and Truly were making their way to the elevators.

   So now we have Calvery being ID'd as the woman that told Officer Smith that they were shooting at JFK, "from the bushes"? Do you realize how ridiculous this Calvery Pandemic has become?

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« Reply #3 on: Today at 09:57:05 AM »
   So now we have Calvery being ID'd as the woman that told Officer Smith that they were shooting at JFK, "from the bushes"? Do you realize how ridiculous this Calvery Pandemic has become?

I'm not sure what your issue is with the identification of Gloria as the woman who told Smith someone was shooting at JFK.
In his WC testimony Smith states he was positioned at the southeast corner of Elm and Houston, facing east up Elm Street with his back to the TSBD building at the time the motorcade passed. After the shots he started to make his way along the Elm Street extension running directly in front of the Depository and it was here he was approached by the hysterical woman.
Gloria ran from her position on Elm Street [A] up to the spur dividing the two Elm Streets where she met Bill Shelley [B] who had run across from the front steps. She then made her way from the spur to the front steps [C], crossing the Elm Street extension.
As we can see, her path [the blue line] must cross the path of Smith [the red line]:



The image below shows Gloria at the steps interacting with Billy Lovelady:



From the same footage, just a couple of seconds earlier, we see Smith making his way up the Elm Street extension, meaning the interaction with Gloria has already happened as she is already at the steps.



Elsewhere, I've demonstrated that she could have easily covered the distance by the time we see her in Darnell so I really don't see what the issue is. We know from the image above and Smith's testimony that his interaction with the hysterical woman has already taken place.
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« Reply #4 on: Today at 10:46:51 AM »
On the 20th March 1964, Baker and Truly took part in time trials which established how quickly both men took to get up to the second floor lunchroom after the assassination. The first time was around 90 seconds, the second time around 75 seconds.
Five days later, the 25th March, both men testify before the WC and they talk about the time trials.
On the 7th April the testimonies of Adams, Lovelady and Shelley are taken. Adams goes first, telling the Commission she raced down the stairs to the first floor and reached the first floor in less than 60 seconds. On arriving at the first floor she saw Lovelady and Shelley there as she crossed the floor, heading for the Houston Street loading dock door.
The results of the time trials are firmly established by this point and there is no contradiction between her testimony and the Truly/Baker time trials - the reason she didn't see them and they didn't see her is that she was already out the back door before Truly and Baker got to the area around the elevators.

Then come the testimonies of, first Lovelady, then Shelley, during which both men tell exactly the same lie which completely contradicts the Truly/Baker time trials and the testimony of Adams.
Both men testify to the effect that Truly and Baker were still outside the TSBD building at least three minutes after the assassination. This completely contradicts the time trials. The timings for Baker and Truly entering the TSBD building have already been firmly established. Now both Lovelady and Shelley are more or less testifying that Baker and Truly were lying and that the whole time trial was a sham. And it's not just one of them telling this lie...it is both of them. It is an organised and co-ordinated Lie.
I'm not sure if the Commission was aware of the Darnell footage at the time of the testimonies of Lovelady and Shelley. Film evidence proving the lies of these men.
Unbelievably, the Commission never questions these lies. The lies are allowed to stand, unchallenged.
Even more unbelievably, when it comes to offer it's final version of events on the day of the assassination, the Commission somehow accepts the results of the Baker/Truly time trials (contradicting the "3 minute" lie of Shelley and Lovelady), but they also use the timings of Shelley and Lovelady (contradicting the Truly/Baker time trials) to undermine the testimony of Adams!!

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