Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Royell Storing]

Li'l tommy

Lovelady never moved from the steps after the shots.
Shelley went immediately across the street to the island, bumped into Gloria racing the other way and followed her back to the steps.
Lovelady is the man Gloria is talking to on the steps around 15 - 20 seconds after the shooting.
Both Shelley and Lovelady re-entered the front door and made their way immediately towards the back of the first floor where they were seen by Vicki Adams, around 50 -  60 seconds after the shots.
Adams and Styles ran out the back door and seconds later Truly and Baker arrived at the area near the elevators where Baker observed the two white men hanging around.

After giving their same-day affidavits, both Shelley and Lovelady continually lied about their movements after the shooting in every subsequent testimony/interview they gave.
They did everything in their power to undermine Adams' witnessing of them towards the back of the 1st floor around 50 - 60 seconds after the shooting and they were helped to do this by the WC Sham.

In your new scenario you appear to have forgotten that Lovelady and Shelley went across to the little old island immediately after Gloria spoke to them on the steps. They stayed on the island for "a minute or two" according to Shelley, who also testified that he was stood on the island when he saw Baker and Truly heading into the building.
How does that affect your newly made up  scenario?

   Plus, they keep wanting to muddy the water by claiming Molina is in front of the TSBD on the Darnell footage. Molina was wearing a full length coat that ran down to his wrists and knees. That full length coat DQ's Molina being on the Darnell Film segment.

[Dan O'meara]

   Plus, they keep wanting to muddy the water by claiming Molina is in front of the TSBD on the Darnell footage. Molina was wearing a full length coat that ran down to his wrists and knees. That full length coat DQ's Molina being on the Darnell Film segment.

Molina was wearing a white shirt, as an office worker would.
This DQ's the identification of Molina as the man on the steps. Plus the fact Molina specifically testified that he didn't speak to any woman on the steps.

You are surely thinking of Danny Arce (who I believe is the person walking down the extension in the Couch footage)

[Royell Storing]

Molina was wearing a white shirt, as an office worker would.
This DQ's the identification of Molina as the man on the steps. Plus the fact Molina specifically testified that he didn't speak to any woman on the steps.

You are surely thinking of Danny Arce (who I believe is the person walking down the extension in the Couch footage)

   We are getting into the timestamp issue again. Why would Arce or Molina or anyone else watching the motorcade, then be walking down the Elm St Ext only 20 seconds after the kill shot? Plus, we also see DPD Officer Smith already having reached the Huge Gates. How could another eyewitness tell Officer Smith about shots being fired from the bushes running down the Elm St Extension, and Smith then run from the corner of Houston/Elm, run down the Elm St Extension to the point of the Huge Gates only :20 seconds after the kill shot? That :20 second timestamp applied to Officer Baker on the Darnell Film was Mickey Moused to: (1) fit the JFK Limo being filmed by Wiegman, and (2) Officer Baker allegedly glimpsing Oswald moving through the door leading into the 2nd floor lunchroom. The :20 second timestamp is incorrect and the other timestamps based on it are therefore also Wrong. 

[Dan O'meara]

   We are getting into the timestamp issue again. Why would Arce or Molina or anyone else watching the motorcade, then be walking down the Elm St Ext only 20 seconds after the kill shot? Plus, we also see DPD Officer Smith already having reached the Huge Gates. How could another eyewitness tell Officer Smith about shots being fired from the bushes running down the Elm St Extension, and Smith then run from the corner of Houston/Elm, run down the Elm St Extension to the point of the Huge Gates only :20 seconds after the kill shot? That :20 second timestamp applied to Officer Baker on the Darnell Film was Mickey Moused to: (1) fit the JFK Limo being filmed by Wiegman, and (2) Officer Baker allegedly glimpsing Oswald moving through the door leading into the 2nd floor lunchroom. The :20 second timestamp is incorrect and the other timestamps based on it are therefore also Wrong.

You are confused about who Molina is and who Danny Arce is in the Couch/Darnell footage.
That's fair enough.
The point is that the man on the steps cannot be Molina as he is not wearing a white shirt and Molina specifically testified that he never spoke to a woman on the steps.
The man is clearly Lovelady and the moment captured in the Darnell/Couch footage is after Gloria has raced back to the front steps and is telling everyone there, including Lovelady, about the shooting.

Danny Arce was already on the extension, right outside the TSBD building, watching the motorcade.
As for the 20 second timestamp...maybe it's 22 seconds or 25 seconds, but certainly no more than 30 seconds. That's still to be worked out with satisfactory precision
But you're notion that all films were altered to hide the limo stopping is just utter nonsense and really weakens your overall position.
Dan Rather messed up badly with his reporting of what he saw, if he even saw it. That's all. One guy making a mistake. And not the wholesale, virtually impossible alteration of all records of the event you base on the error of one man.

[Royell Storing]

You are confused about who Molina is and who Danny Arce is in the Couch/Darnell footage.
That's fair enough.
The point is that the man on the steps cannot be Molina as he is not wearing a white shirt and Molina specifically testified that he never spoke to a woman on the steps.
The man is clearly Lovelady and the moment captured in the Darnell/Couch footage is after Gloria has raced back to the front steps and is telling everyone there, including Lovelady, about the shooting.

Danny Arce was already on the extension, right outside the TSBD building, watching the motorcade.
As for the 20 second timestamp...maybe it's 22 seconds or 25 seconds, but certainly no more than 30 seconds. That's still to be worked out with satisfactory precision
But you're notion that all films were altered to hide the limo stopping is just utter nonsense and really weakens your overall position.
Dan Rather messed up badly with his reporting of what he saw, if he even saw it. That's all. One guy making a mistake. And not the wholesale, virtually impossible alteration of all records of the event you base on the error of one man.

           When you say, "ALL films were altered...", that takes in a lot of territory. What specific films are you referring to?
           Does the "Removal" of film frames meet your definition of "Alter"? Do frames being "juggled" and "displayed out-of-order" meet your definition of "altered"? You Know that the "juggling" of Z Film Frames was already done very early on. Does the "cropping" of an image(s) meet your definition of Altered?
          The Wiegman Film was ballyhoo'd as being "filmed continuously" for its' initial 30+yrs. When the application of a false timeline is assigned to a film, does that then make that film an "altered" film? The timeline issue with the Wiegman Film goes directly to his filming the JFK Limo going under the Triple Underpass, and Wiegman claiming to have seen SA Lem John UP-THE-KNOLL, ("Pictures Of The Pain"), when Wiegman ran up there. SA Lem Johns allegedly jumped out of the LBJ SS Car, and then ran up Elm St toward the JFK Limo. There are No Images of SA Lem Johns physically being on Elm St, or running up Elm St toward the JFK Limo. No Eyewitness has ever said they saw SA Lem Johns jump out of the LBJ SS Car or saw him running up Elm St. And no agents were allegedly assigned to a ground position inside Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63. Yet, here we have Wiegman seeing SA Lem Johns Up-The-Knoll. 
           You say the time stamping is "no more than 30 seconds". The opening of the Darnell Film shows the driver of Camera Car #2 to be standing flatfooted outside of Camera Car #2. This is BEFORE we see Officer Baker running across the Island at :20 seconds after the kill shot. So, do You believe this driver was already standing outside of his car only :10 seconds after the kill shot? Draw on your personal life experience as to when you have seen a driver climb outside of their car in bumper-to-bumper traffic. The Officer Baker timeline of :20 seconds after the kill shot to cross the Island, and then :30 seconds after the kill shot to enter the TSBD is Wrong. These Early/False timelines were assigned to rig when Officer Baker saw Oswald on the other side of the vestibule door leading into the TSBD 2nd Floor Lunchroom.   

[Zeon Mason]

There is a timing issue for sure.

It starts with Mrs Reid who said when she saw people dropping to the ground she decided to go back inside the TSBD.

She said that she was running the whole time during the Belin stopwatch time trials.

Running would easily be a 5ft/sec pace.

Mrs Reid was standing out near the Elm st.curb about 30 ft from the TSBD steps at the time of shots.

She started her trek to return to the office at 5 sec post shots after seeing people drop to the ground..
She ran 30 ft across the sidewalk in 6 secs
Then Up the 7 front entrance steps in 7 secs
Crossed the 5 ft landing  and thru the front entrance door and into the front lobby in 5 sec

The time was now 25 secs post shots.

 Reid treked about 25 ft to get to the front staircase at 5ft/sec

She started up the 18 step staircase at 30 secs post shots

At a 1 step/sec pace she is reached  the 2nd floor at 48 secs post shots.

She  treks 20 more ft down a short portion of hallway in 5 more secs.

Mrs Reid now opens the front door of the 2nd floor office at 53 seconds post shots and sees Oswald at the other end of the office entering from the rear office door.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

There is a timing issue for sure.

It starts with Mrs Reid who said when she saw people dropping to the ground she decided to get  ack inside the TSBD.

She said that she was running the whole time during the Belin stopwatch time trials.

Running would easily be a 5ft/sec pace.

Mrs Reid was standing out near the Elm st.curb about 30 ft from the TSBD steps at the time of shots.

She started her trek to return to the office at 5 sec post shots after seeing people drop to the ground..
She ran 30 ft a Roos the sidewalk in 6 secs
Then Up the 7 front entrance steps in 7 secs
Crossed the 5 ft landing  and thru the front entrance door and into the front lobby in 5 sec

The time was now 25 secs post shots.

 Reid now treked about 25 ft to get to the front staircase at 5ft/ sec

She started up the 18 step stairway at 30 secs post shots

At a 1 step/sec pace she is reached  the 2nd floor at 48 secs post shots.

She  treks 20 more ft down a short portion of hallway in 5 more secs.

Mrs Reid now opens the front door of the 2nd floor office at 53 seconds post shots and sees Oswald at the other end of the office entering from the rear office door.

They re-created and timed what happened and it took her approximately two minutes to reach the office.

Mr. BELIN. And when in Dallas, we started the stopwatch from the time that the last shot was fired, is that correct?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. And then you went through your actions, what you saw, your conversations that you had, and your actions in going back into the building and up to the point that you saw Lee Harvey Oswald?
Mrs. REID. That is right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you remember how long by the stopwatch it took you?
Mrs. REID. Approximately 2 minutes.
Mr. DULLES. I didn't hear you.
Mrs. REID. Two minutes.
Mr. BELIN. From the time of the last shot the time you and Oswald crossed?
Mrs. REID. Yes; I believe that is the way we timed it.