Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Lance Payette]

  You're late to the party involving the multiple issues surrounding the ID of these 2 guys moving down the Elm St Ext. The credibility of the WC testimonies of (1) Lovelady, (2) Shelley, & (3) Adams, hang in the balance of ID'ing these 2 guys. Also the ID of (4) Calvery, and (5) The current timeline assigned to this Couch Film snippet showing these 2 guys moving down the Elm Ext. "Prayer Man" has always been a One Trick Pony.

You show your ignorance here. I happen to think the Prayer Man theory is goofy, but the Prayer Man site is a goldmine and Bart Kamp has done invaluable work. The photo disposes of any issue as to whether that was Shelley and Lovelady walking down the dead-end portion of Elm as they claimed. I did a very intensive study of everything Shelley and Lovelady ever said, and there were no great inconsistencies. The only real outlier (or is that "out liar") is Adams, Apparently the fact that Sandra Styles disagreed with everything Adams said means "they" got to her, too, eh?

[Royell Storing]

You mean you don't support danny BOY o'meara's conspiracy theory that involves Calvary's bellowing at Lovelady on the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot?

 None of the above has anything to do with "Prayer Man". Try consuming 1/2 a loaf of Elvin Bread. You must be suffering from malnutrition.

[Royell Storing]

You show your ignorance here. I happen to think the Prayer Man theory is goofy, but the Prayer Man site is a goldmine and Bart Kamp has done invaluable work. The photo disposes of any issue as to whether that was Shelley and Lovelady walking down the dead-end portion of Elm as they claimed. I did a very intensive study of everything Shelley and Lovelady ever said, and there were no great inconsistencies. The only real outlier (or is that "out liar") is Adams, Apparently the fact that Sandra Styles disagreed with everything Adams said means "they" got to her, too, eh?

   What "photo"? Who took a "photo" of 2 guys moving down the Elm St Ext?  We are talking about a film snippet/still frames from the Couch Film showing 2 guys moving down the Elm St Ext toward the railroad yard. 

[Lance Payette]

   What "photo"? Who took a "photo" of 2 guys moving down the Elm St Ext?  We are talking about a film snippet/still frames from the Couch Film showing 2 guys moving down the Elm St Ext toward the railroad yard.

At least look at the Prayer Man site before you keep blathering. Bart isolated and enhanced frames from the Couch film, and they clearly and unequivocally show Lovelady's distinctive shirt. Prayer Man may be a one-trick pony, but you are beating a dead horse.

[Tom Graves]

None of the above has anything to do with "Prayer Man."

Dear Comrade Storing,

When you say "Prayer Man," do you mean a female employee of the TSBD as she's "holding" the reflection of the shiny door handle?

Who said it did?

-- Tom

[Lance Payette]

As I recall from my research (and this is from memory), there is no doubt Calvery encountered Shelley and Lovelady on or near the TSBD steps. Lovelady made clear he wasn't wearing a watch and guessed her arrival was three minutes after the shots. Shelley guessed three minutes after the shots based solely on his estimate of the time that she must have taken to travel from her location along the motorcade route. The time she actually took is whatever the hell she took, which I assume was less than their estimates - but who cares? Both said they first went to the island. Shelley said he saw Truly and Baker at the TSBD entrance but did not see them enter. Lovelady said he looked back when someone shouted and saw them enter. They then fast-walked or trotted down the dead-end part of Elm to the first set of tracks and stayed a short time. One of them, I believe Shelley, said they watched autos being searched in the parking lot for a brief time. They then entered through the open double wooden doors on the west side at the Houston Street dock. Shelley, as I recall, saw a Black guy (perhaps Piper?). Lovelady said several people had reentered the first floor and he saw Shelley either talking to a woman or a woman standing near him, whom he thought could be Adams but he wasn't sure. This would suggest Shelley and Adams were talking about two slightly different time periods - but who cares? Both said some distinctly "unhelpful" things, including thinking the shots had come from the west (Lovelady actually saying the knoll). Wouldn't their three-minute estimates also be grossly at odds with the official story of the lunchroom encounter? Do you seriously believe the WC lawyers browbeat Shelley and Lovelady into telling absolute whoppers just to discredit Adams - and, if so, how do you explain Styles completely discrediting Adams for no apparent reason (other than the truth) long after the fact? I fail to see how any of this adds up to any big deal.

[Tim Nickerson]

the Prayer Man site is a goldmine and Bart Kamp has done invaluable work.

I agree. I use that site from time to time.

Several years ago, I joined the Facebook group dedicated to discussing Prayerman. After a couple of days of posting there, Bart Kamp politely asked me to let myself out of the group. I did so. I thought that was nice of him.