Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Here's your last chance to actually have a genuine discussion about this issue.
Rather than hiding behind the fact that Ernest reports Vicki changed this single aspect of her account, engage with the debate.
Let's hear your counter-arguments, let's hear how you have reached your own conclusions.
Don't just childishly evade.

Ironically, all this is your fault.
You posted Vicki Adams' lost interview.
In it we hear Vicki, in her own words, confirming she saw Lovelady and Shelley. More importantly, she confirms that she made some trivial corrections to the transcript of her WC testimony. One of these typos is on the same page as the claim she made about seeing Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor meaning that she was aware of this claim in her WC testimony and didn't have a problem with it.
Up to that point I had accepted the claim that the evil, evil WC Sham had inserted the Shelley/Lovelady claim into her testimony.
The lost interview proved this was not the case.
So, I did something not many researchers had thought to do - I took Vicki's testimony at face value and accepted that she did, indeed, race downstairs within seconds of the shots being fired and interacted with Shelley and Lovelady on the first floor of the TSBD building approximately 60 seconds after the shooting.

This had a few ramifications of its own:

1] The Tom Dillard pic, taken between 10 - 15 seconds after the shots and showing an empty window where Vicki and her colleagues were supposed to be, now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced off as the limo reached the underpass, followed closely by Dorothy Garner.

2] The Stroud document now made sense. Vicki and Sandra had raced down and out of the building before Truly and Baker reached the area near the elevators. That's the only way Vicki/Sandra could have made it down the back stairs before Truly/Baker ascended the same stairs, without either party being aware of the other.

3] The two white men in the area near the first floor elevators reported by Baker could now be identified as Shelley and Lovelady.

4] Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements in the immediate aftermath of the shooting. Rather than Shelley/Lovelady discrediting Vicki's account, it's the other way round.



After the shots Shelley ran across the Elm St Ext and bumped into an hysterical Gloria coming the other way, "hollering" about the President being shot. After telling officer Joe Smith about the shooting, Gloria (accompanied by Karan Hicks) made her way to the front steps where she told Lovelady and others about the shooting. Shelley followed behind as he returned to the steps. The Darnell footage shows the moment Gloria has just arrived at the steps and is telling Lovelady about the shooting. Shelley is walking with his back to the camera, returning from across the street, and turns to his left as he reaches the bottom of the steps in time to see Baker rushing towards him.
If there was further footage taken of this area we would see Baker, followed by Lovelady and Shelley, ascend the front steps and enter the building. Truly would be close behind.
Shelley and Lovelady made their way immediately toward the back of the first floor where Vicki called out to them as she rushed to the loading dock door. Seconds later Truly and Baker, who had been talking in the lobby, arrived in the same area.

Identifying Lovelady in Darnell is part of the proof that he and Shelley lied about their movements after the assassination.
In their WC testimonies both men testified that they were on the steps when Gloria came running up.
That it was at least 3 minutes before Gloria arrived.
That after leaving the steps they turned and saw Baker and Truly about to enter the building at least 3 minutes after the assassination.
The Darnell footage demonstrates, beyond any doubt, that these are all falsehoods. This is confirmed by the Truly/Baker time trials.
It is also confirmed by the account of Vicki Adams, who saw these men near the elevators on the first floor, approximately 60 seconds after the assassination.

[Royell Storing]

  You gotta remember these images are from 1963. Men/Boys did Not walk closely alongside each other or even sit closely together on the bench seat of an auto. So, 1 guy walking ahead of the other on the Dunkel images does Not mean they do not know each other or are not walking down the Elm St Ext together. Yeah, the images are not Proof this is Shelley/Lovelady, but their attire does fit along with their size disparity. There are plenty of men wearing suits, but Lovelady's shirt "color clash" is tough to find anywhere else inside Dealey Plaza. The Joan Rivers "Fashion Police" would have been all over that thing.

[Lance Payette]

It's not like I care about this silly issue, but I fail to understand how the enhanced photos at Prayer Man don't settle it, as they did for Bart Kamp and do for me, I apparently can't post the images, but they clearly show Lovelady's distinctive shirt. Do people think these were faked or something?

Look halfway down the page, where Bart says "I applied various ways of sharpening with overall decent results to be absolutely positive that these two are Shelley and Lovelady. Lovelady’s shirt is a dead give away and so is the shape of Shelley, compare that with the collage below."

http://www.prayer-man.com/billy-nolan-lovelady-and-bill-shellly-did-leave-the-steps-almost-immediately-after-the-shots-were-fired/

[Royell Storing]

  You're late to the party involving the multiple issues surrounding the ID of these 2 guys moving down the Elm St Ext. The credibility of the WC testimonies of (1) Lovelady, (2) Shelley, & (3) Adams, hang in the balance of ID'ing these 2 guys. Also the ID of (4) Calvery, and (5) The current timeline assigned to this Couch Film snippet showing these 2 guys moving down the Elm Ext. "Prayer Man" has always been a One Trick Pony. 

[Tom Graves]

[...]

Dear Comrade Storing,

How is the correct identification, by Sandy Larsen and me, of big/tall dark-blue-blouse-wearing / dark-blue-headscarf-wearing / plaid-skirt-wearing Gloria Calvery and her three headscarf-wearing South-West Publishing Company colleagues on Elm Street during the motorcade, and the concomitant correct identification of black-blouse-wearing / black-headscarf-wearing / plaid-skirt-wearing Calvery and her all-in-white colleague (Karan Hicks or Carol Reed) as they're standing on (or going up) the TSBD steps in the black-and-white Couch-Darnell clip a "one-trick pony"?

Because it doesn't support your grandiose OFFICER JOE MARSHALL SMITH AND THE HUGE GATES conspiracy theory?

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  "One Trick Pony" is in reference to the "Prayer Man" issue.  The power of The Ring is consuming you.

[Tom Graves]

"One Trick Pony" is in reference to the "Prayer Man" issue.

You mean you don't support danny BOY o'meara's conspiracy theory that involves Calvary's bellowing at Lovelady on the steps about 25 seconds after the final shot?