Lovelady in Darnell and it's Ramifications.

[Dan O'meara]

Right, what does the woman who was actually there know? If the WC evildoers didn't get to her, the KGB probably did. I make no claims, because I really don't care, but I am inclined to lean toward someone who was actually there and spoke with the level of confidence that Westbrook did. She seemed rather confident that she was wearing the light blue scarf, standing right next to the Stemmons sign with Gloria right next to her, but surely you know best. 

I might note that Mark Tyler likewise has Calvary standing with Westbrook and that an astonishingly eclectic mix of CTers and LN advocates contributed to his animation - but what do they know? The KGB probably got to all of them.

One might also note that your three suspects ALL said they were on the SOUTH side of Elm, for which Robin Unger took you to task at the Ed Forum - but what did they know?  (Good God, people, if you think Tom is obsessive-compulsive about the KGB Bogeyman, you should review his OCD work on the Calvary Issue over the past 10+ years. I think I'll back off before he blows a fuse. I merely note that Westbrook seems supremely confident - watch the interview, which was 2017 and thus after Tom was already on the Calvary warpath.)

Look into Tom's work before you make even more of a fool of yourself than you usually do.

[Royell Storing]

I don't know what this might do to burst anyone's bubble - probably nothing since the bubbles of Calvary Guy Tom and WC Sham Man Dan are pretty well impenetrable - but observe "Carol Reed" and "Karan Hicks" in the image below:



In her interview with the Sixth Floor Museum, Karen Westbrook Scranton clearly and unequivocally identifies "Carol Reed" in the light blue scarf as HERSELF and says there is no doubt in her mind that "Karan Hicks" is in fact GLORIA CALVERY. She says she remembers standing with Gloria, who was a good friend with distinctive red hair, and with whom she worked every day. Karen is also visible right next to the Stemmons sign in Willis, which is where she is confident the first shot was heard and JFK reacted with hands to his throat. She recalls the shot sequence as 1-2-pause-3. (She recalls the woman labeled "Gloria Calvary" actually being a Carol, but she isn't sure which one since there were two Carols. It would have been Carol Reed.)

But what does she know anyway?

   Thanks for the post above. This is why a Positive ID should never be based on someone's BACK. This is the same kind of knee jerk reaction we saw from the Altgens Photo when Lovelady was mistakenly ID'd as Oswald. Some people never learn. "Measure twice, cut once".

[Royell Storing]

Look into Tom's work before you make even more of a fool of yourself than you usually do.

   STOP with the "Tom" deflection. This is on You. You got the ID Wrong. Just like all those people that looked at the Altgens Photo and claimed we were looking at Oswald when it was actually Lovelady. This is exactly where you are at.

[Dan O'meara]

   STOP with the "Tom" deflection. This is on You. You got the ID Wrong. Just like all those people that looked at the Altgens Photo and claimed we were looking at Oswald when it was actually Lovelady. This is exactly where you are at.

That post had nothing to do with you so keep your nose out.
 
This was the post you avoided:


Do you agree with this sequence of events:

At the time of the shooting Smith was stationed at the southeast corner of Elm and Houston.
After the shooting he started toward the TSBD building.
After he started toward the TSBD building he was approached by the hysterical woman.
After he was approached by the hysterical woman he made his way along the Elm Street extension towards the railroad yard.

[Royell Storing]

Do you agree with this sequence of events:

At the time of the shooting Smith was stationed at the southeast corner of Elm and Houston.
After the shooting he started toward the TSBD building.
After he started toward the TSBD building he was approached by the hysterical woman.
After he was approached by the hysterical woman he made his way along the Elm Street extension towards the railroad yard.

   Now you wanna play "word" games? Smith testified that he started,  "UP" Toward the book depository. You have conveniently OMITTED the "UP" which rules out Smith heading in the direction of Calvery. Nice try.

[Tom Graves]

Right, what does the woman who was actually there know? If the WC evildoers didn't get to her, the KGB probably did. I make no claims, because I really don't care, but I am inclined to lean toward someone who was actually there and spoke with the level of confidence that Westbrook did. She seemed rather confident that she was wearing the light blue scarf, standing right next to the Stemmons sign with Gloria right next to her, but surely you know best.

I might note that Mark Tyler likewise has Calvary standing with Westbrook and that an astonishingly eclectic mix of CTers and LN advocates contributed to his animation - but what do they know? The KGB probably got to all of them.

One might also note that your three suspects ALL said they were on the SOUTH side of Elm, for which Robin Unger took you to task at the Ed Forum - but what did they know? (Good God, people, if you think Tom is obsessive-compulsive about the KGB Bogeyman, you should review his OCD work on the Calvary Issue over the past 10+ years. I think I'll back off before he blows a fuse. I merely note that Westbrook seems supremely confident - watch the interview, which was 2017 and thus after Tom was already on the Calvary warpath.)

You're blowing more smoke than usual out of your fancy pants, Lance.

Karen Westbrook-Scranton (mislabeled as "Jane Berry" in your beloved marked-up-in-yellow Zapruder frame), wearing a (very) light-blue headscarf, herself, that day in '63, can be forgiven, I suppose, for misidentifying:

1) light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmonds as herself,

2) medium-framed strawberry-blond Gloria Jeanne Holt as very-large-framed, dark-red-haired (but wearing a dark-blue headscarf that day) Gloria Jean Calvery,

3) and "Maybe XXXXX" as self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob (previously misidentified by Speth, Unger, Roberdeau, and Vaughan as . . . gasp . . . Gloria Calvery),

. . . seein' as how she was doing the mis-identifyin' to a . . . gasp . . . national audience, from behind, from a long distance away (from the camera's point of view), and fifty-five years after-the-fact -- to yep, smilin'-and-noddin' Stephen Fagin.

LOL!

-- Tom

[Dan O'meara]

   Now you wanna play "word" games? Smith testified that he started,  "UP" Toward the book depository. You have conveniently OMITTED the "UP" which rules out Smith heading in the direction of Calvery. Nice try.

Explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.

[Royell Storing]

Explain to me what you think Smith's movements are after the shooting.

   I take the above as your admission that you Mickey Mouse'd Smith's WC Testimony. That ain't cool. The above is why knowing Testimony is important. It gets fudged and in the above case, Omitted!