NEW ARTICLE: JFK's Clothing Proves the Single-Bullet Theory Is Impossible

[Tom Graves]

You don't seem to understand that 132 people stating that they heard three distinct shots is evidence of three shots.  Just because you don't think they are accurate or reliable doesn't affect the fact that it is evidence.

How is it evidence?

Again, you are simply making my point.  The witnesses gave evidence that there were three shots. Your suggestion that they really meant they heard only two does not change the fact that they all stated that they heard three shots, so it is evidence that three shots occurred.  You just don't attribute any weight to the evidence.

You have no point and no evidence, just pretending this is evidence, nothing more. If you had real evidence, you would present it.

I do not see the difference between you and M Griffith. Maybe you can explain what the difference is.
 
I am saying that the Connallys stated that JBC was hit by the second shot.  This does not necessarily mean that he was only hit by the second shot because he never felt the thigh wound or the wrist wound.

Huh. So, you are now saying he was struck by the first shot in the back and leg. I think this is progress. I have seen so many odd versions of this it is hard to say.

What you are really stating is you really have no idea what is going on. You have officially run out of this weird and bizarre nonsense. This is nothing more than the crap tank running on empty. Really you decide when a person feels being shot. This version of your story has finally gone completely off the rails; it is one of your best.

A Mason:

JBC yelling "oh, no, no" was not necessarily in response to being hit.  Nellie said that he uttered this after the first shot and before the second shot. [/b]

 Wrong, it was entirely in response to having been shot.


Since he did not feel the thigh wound (and that is not uncommon especially when wounded in an extremity), and since a straight line trajectory through JFK's neck at the time of the first shot just after z186 goes to JBC's left side, I suggest that the first shot could have caused JBC's thigh wound.

Suggest it all you want; this is beyond ridiculous to even post this.

JBC could not have been more clear as to when he was hit. JBC crying out Oh No No No was solely in response to him having been hit. Jackie and Nellie identify it as having   been from the first shot.

Governor CONNALLY.... “I immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap----”

You guys need to realize that having heard Oswald's first missing-everything shot about two seconds earlier (at hypothetical "Z-124"), JBC consciously reacted to it by starting to turn to his right at Z-165, hoping to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder.

By the time he'd turned far enough to do so, however, JFK had raised his right hand to wave to somebody and had turned his head to his far right, thereby preventing JBC from "seeing" him.

Still wondering if JFK was okay, JBC started turning back to his left to try to catch a glimpse of him over his left shoulder but got less than halfway there when JFK and he were hit by Oswald's second bullet, CE-399.

Bottom line: CE-399, at some point between Z-222 and Z-224, caused seven wounds to the two men and ended up being temporarily embedded in JBC's right thigh.

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[Michael T. Griffith]

You guys need to realize that. . . . Still wondering if JFK was okay, JBC started turning back to his left to try to catch a glimpse of him over his left shoulder but only got halfway there when he and JFK were both hit by Oswald's second bullet, CE-399. CE-399, at some point between Z-222 and Z-224, caused seven wounds in the two men and ended up being temporarily embedded in JBC's right thigh.

Repeating a debunked myth won't make it come true. I have answered every one of these arguments, several times, yet you keep repeating them while ignoring the facts that contradict them. It is an endless a merry-go-around with you people and your cult-like mentality toward evidence you can't explain.

Did you somehow forget that the subject of this thread is the fact that JFK's clothing proves the SBT is impossible? Did you somehow miss the fact that the motorcade photos prove that JFK's tie knot was neatly centered between the collar band, which proves that no bullet could have exited the slits without tearing through the tie, and that the evidence photos of the tie knot prove the nick was not on the knot's edge, and that the evidence photos of the tie prove there was no hole through the tie? Did you somehow miss all this?

Here are some of the facts I've repeatedly pointed out to you that you continue to ignore:

-- Connally himself said he was not hit before Z231, and he categorically ruled out the idea that he was reacting to a wound in Z228. But, gee, what did he know, right? After all, he was merely the guy who actually experienced the wounding!

-- Connally said the bullet's impact felt like he was hit hard with a doubled fist, which is exactly what we see in Z238-242, which dovetails perfectly with Connally's selection of Z234 as the moment of impact. This means the bullet's impact only took four frames, or 1/4th of a second, to slam down Connally's right shoulder, dishevel his hair, and cause a pained look to come over his face. Your zany theory has these reactions taking four times longer to occur.

-- Two of your side's wound ballistics experts have admitted that JFK's Z225 reaction proves he must have been hit no later than Z221.

-- The HSCA photographic experts determined that JFK was hit just before Z190 and that he starts to react to the wound in right around Z200--and that Jackie starts to notice his reaction shortly thereafter, long before Z224. We now know that even the WC's experts detected signs of wound reaction in JFK's movements at right around Z200, as did Olson and Turner in the Journal of Forensic Science.

I notice you didn't mention the Z224 lapel flip. Is this because you realize that lapels cannot flip up and down in 1/18th of a second, and that the lapel flip is simply an optical illusion caused by reflected light?

[Andrew Mason]

You don't seem to understand that 132 people stating that they heard three distinct shots is evidence of three shots.  Just because you don't think they are accurate or reliable doesn't affect the fact that it is evidence.

How is it evidence?

Do you not consider the sworn testimony before the WC to be evidence?  How about the sworn statements of people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shots? The HSCA compiled the statements of 178 people and 132 said there were 3 shots.  If you don't think that is all evidence perhaps you should give us your definition of "evidence".

You have no point and no evidence, just pretending this is evidence, nothing more. If you had real evidence, you would present it.

I have.  You just don't think it is reliable.

I do not see the difference between you and M Griffith. Maybe you can explain what the difference is.

I accept the conclusion that Oswald fired all three shots and that there is no persuasive evidence that anyone else was involved. As I understand his position, Mr. Griffith does not.
 

I am saying that the Connallys stated that JBC was hit by the second shot.  This does not necessarily mean that he was only hit by the second shot because he never felt the thigh wound or the wrist wound.

Huh. So, you are now saying he was struck by the first shot in the back and leg. I think this is progress. I have seen so many odd versions of this it is hard to say.

Perhaps reading/comprehension is not your forte. I said that JFK was struck on the first shot and the bullet trajectory was to JBC's left side after it exited JFK's neck.  There was no damage to the car, but there was damage to JBC on his left side.  I don't see any reason why the bullet could not have caused JBC's left thigh wound with JBC turned to the right as he was prior to disappearing behind the Stemmons sign. The characteristics of the wound are consistent with being struck by the butt-end of CE399.

JBC yelling "oh, no, no" was not necessarily in response to being hit.  Nellie said that he uttered this after the first shot and before the second shot. [/b]

 Wrong, it was entirely in response to having been shot.

So where does JBC turn around before being hit in response to hearing the first shot? Or was that just another Connally hallucination?

JBC could not have been more clear as to when he was hit. JBC crying out Oh No No No was solely in response to him having been hit. Jackie and Nellie identify it as having   been from the first shot.

Governor CONNALLY.... “I immediately, when I was hit, I said, "Oh, no, no, no." And then I said, "My God, they are going to kill us all." Nellie, when she pulled me over into her lap----”

If he was so confident, why was he not sure when he testified before the HSCA?  And why, in 1966, did he think he said it before he was hit?  And does Nellie's unequivocal, consistent statements that he uttered it before the second shot not deserve consideration?

[Michael T. Griffith]

Do you not consider the sworn testimony before the WC to be evidence?  How about the sworn statements of people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shots? The HSCA compiled the statements of 178 people and 132 said there were 3 shots.  If you don't think that is all evidence perhaps you should give us your definition of "evidence".
I have.  You just don't think it is reliable.
I accept the conclusion that Oswald fired all three shots and that there is no persuasive evidence that anyone else was involved. As I understand his position, Mr. Griffith does not.
 Perhaps reading/comprehension is not your forte. I said that JFK was struck on the first shot and the bullet trajectory was to JBC's left side after it exited JFK's neck.  There was no damage to the car, but there was damage to JBC on his left side.  I don't see any reason why the bullet could not have caused JBC's left thigh wound with JBC turned to the right as he was prior to disappearing behind the Stemmons sign. The characteristics of the wound are consistent with being struck by the butt-end of CE399.
So where does JBC turn around before being hit in response to hearing the first shot? Or was that just another Connally hallucination?
If he was so confident, why was he not sure when he testified before the HSCA?  And why, in 1966, did he think he said it before he was hit?  And does Nellie's unequivocal, consistent statements that he uttered it before the second shot not deserve consideration?

What a sad exercise in futility and self-delusion. You're both still ignoring the fact that the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves the SBT is impossible. The photos of the clothing prove that no bullet could have exited the shirt slits without tearing through the tie knot, nor could any such bullet have magically weaved around the body of the knot to nick the outer surface of the knot inward from the knot's left edge. Not on this planet.

Dealing with SBT defenders is literally just about the same as dealing with Flat Earthers, 9/11 Truthers, and Moon-landing deniers.

[Jack Nessan]

Do you not consider the sworn testimony before the WC to be evidence?  How about the sworn statements of people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shots? The HSCA compiled the statements of 178 people and 132 said there were 3 shots.  If you don't think that is all evidence perhaps you should give us your definition of "evidence".
I have.  You just don't think it is reliable.
I accept the conclusion that Oswald fired all three shots and that there is no persuasive evidence that anyone else was involved. As I understand his position, Mr. Griffith does not.
 Perhaps reading/comprehension is not your forte. I said that JFK was struck on the first shot and the bullet trajectory was to JBC's left side after it exited JFK's neck.  There was no damage to the car, but there was damage to JBC on his left side.  I don't see any reason why the bullet could not have caused JBC's left thigh wound with JBC turned to the right as he was prior to disappearing behind the Stemmons sign. The characteristics of the wound are consistent with being struck by the butt-end of CE399.
So where does JBC turn around before being hit in response to hearing the first shot? Or was that just another Connally hallucination?
If he was so confident, why was he not sure when he testified before the HSCA?  And why, in 1966, did he think he said it before he was hit?  And does Nellie's unequivocal, consistent statements that he uttered it before the second shot not deserve consideration?

First, let’s evaluate and examine all of the flaws in your theory.

A bullet exited JFK's neck at 1700 fps and entered JBC's thigh and did no damage to the femur.
A bullet exited JBC's wrist backwards and disappeared.

Where is the third bullet?  By this theory there should have been two bullets in JBC’s thigh.

LHO only fired twice. Where is the other shooter located?

Why does your first shot conflict with eyewitness statements?

Why does your theory conflict with 70+ eyewitness statements.

Why did the FBI refuse to ask the 80 TSBD employees in March of 1964 about their recollection of the shooting, but their testimonies are part of your HSCA compilation of witness statements.

Do you not consider the sworn testimony before the WC to be evidence?  How about the sworn statements of people in Dealey Plaza at the time of the shots? The HSCA compiled the statements of 178 people and 132 said there were 3 shots.  If you don't think that is all evidence perhaps you should give us your definition of "evidence".

The HSCA witness compilation is worthless. Totally ignored early statements. I can think of three different compiled statements of the witnesses and they are all different. You have chosen one group over a different group in a suspect evaluation of when the witnesses stated what with no parameters and are now calling it evidence. A lot of people gave sworn testimonies. What did the eyewitness state? 

You do not accept the sworn testimonies of the eyewitnesses as to when the first shot was fired, because you have decided your interpretation is better.
 
I have.  You just don't think it is reliable.

No you have not presented anything as evidence. Your opinion is not evidence.
 

I accept the conclusion that Oswald fired all three shots and that there is no persuasive evidence that anyone else was involved. As I understand his position, Mr. Griffith does not.

No, there is no persuasive evidence of there ever having been a third shot. You both are exactly the same.
 

Perhaps reading/comprehension is not your forte. I said that JFK was struck on the first shot and the bullet trajectory was to JBC's left side after it exited JFK's neck.  There was no damage to the car, but there was damage to JBC on his left side.  I don't see any reason why the bullet could not have caused JBC's left thigh wound with JBC turned to the right as he was prior to disappearing behind the Stemmons sign. The characteristics of the wound are consistent with being struck by the butt-end of CE399.

Perhaps it is not. Holding your hand and walking you through it time and time again seems to be the order of the day.

You are practicing self-disillusionment instead of simple reasoning. Where is the other bullet?

There are two huge problems with this scenario. An exit wound from the wrist that is the diameter of the bullet. No damage to the femur from a bullet that would have been traveling at a speed of 1700FPS and ends up striking butt first.

The thigh wound was consistent with a bullet that had nearly run out of energy, not one still traveling at 1700FPS. 

At the risk of being dumbfounded by the answer, what happened to the other bullet if it ends up striking JBC’s wrist and exits butt first leaving a small round hole. Where there two bullets in JBC’s thigh?

The butt of the bullet hit his wrist and his thigh. The thigh wound was low velocity or there would have been more damage to the femur.

So where does JBC turn around before being hit in response to hearing the first shot? Or was that just another Connally hallucination?

Which statement? The one where he first turned to the right or the one where he first turned to the left. 

He stated it was in response to having been hit. Would it help to post it again for you? 
 
If he was so confident, why was he not sure when he testified before the HSCA?  And why, in 1966, did he think he said it before he was hit?  And does Nellie's unequivocal, consistent statements that he uttered it before the second shot not deserve consideration

No, he was all over the board as time wore on. Cherry picking later statements is your legacy. 

Not only Nellie but Jackie stated the same thing. JBC cried out after the first shot and before the second. 
This has been explained to you 100 times. Are you hoping this time Jackie and Nelly changed their mind.

[Jack Nessan]

What a sad exercise in futility and self-delusion. You're both still ignoring the fact that the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves the SBT is impossible. The photos of the clothing prove that no bullet could have exited the shirt slits without tearing through the tie knot, nor could any such bullet have magically weaved around the body of the knot to nick the outer surface of the knot inward from the knot's left edge. Not on this planet.

Dealing with SBT defenders is literally just about the same as dealing with Flat Earthers, 9/11 Truthers, and Moon-landing deniers.

But practicing self-disillusionment as a JFKA conspiracy nut is somehow better and different.

[Andrew Mason]

What a sad exercise in futility and self-delusion. You're both still ignoring the fact that the hard physical evidence of JFK's clothing proves the SBT is impossible. The photos of the clothing prove that no bullet could have exited the shirt slits without tearing through the tie knot, nor could any such bullet have magically weaved around the body of the knot to nick the outer surface of the knot inward from the knot's left edge. Not on this planet.

Dealing with SBT defenders is literally just about the same as dealing with Flat Earthers, 9/11 Truthers, and Moon-landing deniers.

I am not defending the SBT.  A shot through JFK's neck and entering JBC's left thigh is not the SBT.  The SBT requires all of JBC's to have been caused by the bullet through JFK.

[Jack Nessan]

I am not defending the SBT.  A shot through JFK's neck and entering JBC's left thigh is not the SBT.  The SBT requires all of JBC's to have been caused by the bullet through JFK.

Actually, you are. Your theory is that obviously implausible.