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Why I Believe in the JFKA Conspiracy
Benjamin Cole:
Thanks for your collegial comments.
I have not read Orr's analysis, but I will give it a whirl.
Certainly LHO acted like a guilty or framed party in the immediate post-JFKA moments and minutes.
My suspicion is that he was involved in the JFKA, although who can say how, with any degree of certainty?
The HSCA, full of smart and skeptical people, concluded there had been a JFKA conspiracy, but that LHO fired the lethal shots. Maybe so.
I wonder if LHO did a repeat of his Walker evening (IMHO), and fired, but intentionally to miss. That would explain the three missed shots on 11/22 seen by many witnesses (one striking the asphalt behind the limo, one striking the Elm St. adjacent manhole cover, and another near Tague).
I lean towards a second gunsel behind the limo, perhaps, as you say, on the Dal-Tex roof, or elsewhere on TSBD6.
Then the GK smoke-and-bang show, which was possibly a diversion.
As stated, in my view, the JFKA conspiracy was very small, possibly even just Herminio Diaz and Eladio Del Valle. Del Valle was a pol back in Cuba, thus likely somewhat polished, able to speak to LHO, win his confidence.
As for "professional hit man"--well maybe. What the horrible Trump assassination attempt (missed by an inch), and the equally horrible Kirk assassination show is that relative amateurs with rifles are very dangerous. JFK was moving, but nearly in a straight line away from the TSBD/Dal-Rex buildings.
Anyone reasonably familiar with a rifle could have perped the deed. But not a lone gunman with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.
IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your conclusions.
Benjamin Cole:
Tim-
Thanks for your collegial question.
My best guess is JFK has just been struck, and Jackie is beginning to react, ~Z-209.
Connally is also beginning to react---to the sound of a gunshot, and a sense it may have struck nearby.
After this, JBC does a 180-degree turn in his seat to try to see JFK---not really possible after being shot through the chest, no?
JBC describes himself as being immediately incapacitated by the bullet that struck him. That's believable.
JBC describes himself as being pushed forward by the shot that struck him---that happens ~Z-295.
That's my read of the Z-film.
IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusons.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 11:03:13 AM ---
My best guess is JFK has just been struck, and Jackie is beginning to react, ~Z-209.
Connally is also beginning to react---to the sound of a gunshot, and a sense it may have struck nearby.
After this, JBC does a 180-degree turn in his seat to try to see JFK---not really possible after being shot through the chest, no?
JBC describes himself as being immediately incapacitated by the bullet that struck him. That's believable.
JBC describes himself as being pushed forward by the shot that struck him---that happens ~Z-295.
That's my read of the Z-film.
--- End quote ---
Some people have been known to do "strange" things after they've been shot in the back.
John Connally was a large man.
No vital organs were hit.
He said it felt as though he'd been hit with a fist.
BFD.
(Pardon my German)
Having already exhibited a startle reaction to Oswald's first, missing-everything shot which had occurred two seconds earlier, Connally started turning to his right around Z-163 to catch a glimpse of JFK over his right shoulder, but by Z-168 JFK had turned his head to his far right and had raised his right forearm to wave to the folks who were waving at and/or calling out, "Hi, Mr. President!," to him, and JBC couldn't "see" his face. So, he started turning to his left to try to catch a glimpse of JFK over his left shoulder, but was nailed by CE-399 we he was only halfway there.
In other words, you're off on Connally's "turn to his right to see if JFK was okay" by about three seconds.
Regardless, why can't you accept the fact that a psychologically disturbed, self-described former Marine sharpshooter and U-2 radar operator killed JFK to Advance The Dialectic and / or because he wasn't getting any from (probable KGB* agent) Marina by firing three shots at him over 10.2 seconds in the echo chamber known as Dealey Plaza?
Is it because you have a deep psychological need to believe that some evil, evil Southern Oilmen or the evil, evil Military Industrial Intelligence-Community Complex or an evil, evil "Deep State" did it?
You do realize, don't you, that that's what the KGB* has been trying (with great success!) to get us to believe for sixty-two years, now, through the likes of "useful idiots" (or worse) Joachim Joesten, Thomas G. Buchanan, Richard Popkin, Mark Lane, Tink Thompson, Jim Garrison, Oliver Stone, Roger Stone, Jefferson "Yuri Nosenko Was a True Defector!!!" Morley, Bill Simpich, Jimmy "I Never Met a Communist I Didn't Cherish" DiEugenio, and Tucker "The You Know-What" Carlson, et al. ad nauseam?
*Today's SVR and FSB
PS Thanks in advance for your collegial comments.
LOL!
Charles Collins:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on Today at 02:18:12 AM ---Thanks for your collegial comments.
I have not read Orr's analysis, but I will give it a whirl.
Certainly LHO acted like a guilty or framed party in the immediate post-JFKA moments and minutes.
My suspicion is that he was involved in the JFKA, although who can say how, with any degree of certainty?
The HSCA, full of smart and skeptical people, concluded there had been a JFKA conspiracy, but that LHO fired the lethal shots. Maybe so.
I wonder if LHO did a repeat of his Walker evening (IMHO), and fired, but intentionally to miss. That would explain the three missed shots on 11/22 seen by many witnesses (one striking the asphalt behind the limo, one striking the Elm St. adjacent manhole cover, and another near Tague).
I lean towards a second gunsel behind the limo, perhaps, as you say, on the Dal-Tex roof, or elsewhere on TSBD6.
Then the GK smoke-and-bang show, which was possibly a diversion.
As stated, in my view, the JFKA conspiracy was very small, possibly even just Herminio Diaz and Eladio Del Valle. Del Valle was a pol back in Cuba, thus likely somewhat polished, able to speak to LHO, win his confidence.
As for "professional hit man"--well maybe. What the horrible Trump assassination attempt (missed by an inch), and the equally horrible Kirk assassination show is that relative amateurs with rifles are very dangerous. JFK was moving, but nearly in a straight line away from the TSBD/Dal-Rex buildings.
Anyone reasonably familiar with a rifle could have perped the deed. But not a lone gunman with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.
IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your conclusions.
--- End quote ---
But not a lone gunman with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.
The Carcano rifle found on the sixth floor of the TSBD is not a single-shot rifle. It is automatically fed from a spring loaded magazine which defines it as a repeater. A true single-shot rifle would require the operator to hand feed the next shot into the action after each shot. And it has been demonstrated many times and ways that LHO had the capability to make the shots fired in Dealey Plaza on 11/22/63.
Benjamin Cole:
The Mannlicher Carcano bolt action had to be worked between shots. This meant that a good rifleman could get off shots in about 2.3 seconds, minimum. I call that a "single-shot bolt-action rifle."
My read on the Z-film is that Gov. Connally is struck ~Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, with the film running at 18 frames per second.
This is the one part of about the JFK debate that I feel somewhat confident about.
But hey---others have other views. So it goes.
IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw your own conclusions.
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