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Why I Believe in the JFKA Conspiracy
Jarrett Smith:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 14, 2025, 07:56:47 PM ---Sure, when the policeman who was supposed to be preventing people from doing that was out in the street, with his back to the ramp, directing traffic so that the "decoy" vehicle, an armored car, could back down it.
Don't you know that?
(Or do you, and you're convinced it was part of "the plan"?)
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Actually, there was another officer watching the ramp who knew Ruby named Don Flusche, and he didn't see Ruby either.
Jarrett Smith:
--- Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on September 14, 2025, 07:50:46 PM ---Here we have the x-rays, photo and a film frame of the wound on JFK's head. What more do we need?
But conspiracists simply don't want to believe it; it contradicts their conspiracy belief. So they want to believe ER doctors who admit they weren't sure, their view of the wound was rushed and in an extreme and confused situation.
Meanwhile we're supposed to ignore all of this.
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Exact area Tom Robinson said was blown out and covered with a piece of rubber.
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 14, 2025, 05:56:03 PM ---Dear Lance,
Do you find assuming things for the sake of argument is a real hoot?
-- Tom
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Lawyers do this all the time. When we know we have a winner, we often concede the opponent's facts. I don't know how many motions for summary judgment and other types of motions I've written that that begin "Assuming, arguendo ..." (which means "for the sake of argument"). Assuming the opponent's facts arguendo means they are assumed only for purposes of the particular motion and do not lock the movant (me) into them at trial.
Because the LN narrative is not my religion, and unlike you I don't think the KGB is controlling my thoughts with mysterious satellite beams, I find it both interesting and useful to try to think through the various conspiracy theories assuming, arguendo, they are true. When I do, a tight Mafia conspiracy is about the only one that is halfway plausible. One then has to make the connection between Oswald and the Mafia in a plausible way, which Orr fails to. His theory is that Oswald was recruited, if that's the word, by Marcello through Dutz Murret and that Oswald knowingly but reluctantly went along because Marcello made him the proverbial offer he couldn't refuse.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on September 14, 2025, 11:16:26 PM ---Unlike you, I don't think the KGB is controlling my thoughts with mysterious satellite beams.
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Ignorance about the disinformation, "active measures," and mole-based strategic deception counterintelligence operations the KGB* has waged against us and our NATO allies since 1959 seems to be your specialty, Fancy-Pants Lance.
And I give you The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with "Xxxx").
*Today's SVR and FSB
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 14, 2025, 12:29:34 PM ---Well, no one ever asked, but then I live in rural Thailand.
At bottom, it comes down to this:
(Gov.) Connally: "I was knocked over, just doubled over by the force of the bullet. It went in my back and came out my chest about 2 inches below and the left of my right nipple. The force of the bullet drove my body over almost double and when I looked, immediately I could see I was just drenched with blood. (1 HSCA 42)"
My layman's read on the Z-film is JFK is struck ~Z-209, when he "goes behind" the Stemmons Freeway sign, from the perspective of the film.
Connally's testimony is that he heard the first shot, looked over his own right shoulder (and is seen in Z-film facing backwards), could not see JFK, then turned forward to begin to look over his left shoulder, but was interrupted by the second shot, one that he did not hear (accurately, as the bullet traveled more quickly than sound).
We see Connally pushed forward ~Z-295, about 4.5 seconds after JFK appears to have been shot.
The third shot struck JFK at Z-313.
Thus, JFK is shot perhaps one second after Connally was shot. That is too rapid a sequence to have been accomplished by a lone-gunman armed with a single-shot bolt-action rifle.
Witness testimony (as anyone who worked the courts knows) is very iffy. But there is a tendency to believe someone who says what happened to them after they were shot in the back.
Could Connally have been shot at the same time as JFK, and then 4.5 seconds later is pushed forward for some reason, but only believes he had been impacted by a bullet at that later time? Seems like a stretch. What else would push him forward? That is not an illusion; it is seem in the Z-film.
Some have argued that bullets do not push victims in a direction, and indeed many hunters will tell you that often deer just slump to he ground after being shot.
True, bullets that do not meet resistance are sometimes seen to pass through the body, without moving the body much.
However, Dr. Robert Shaw, who worked on Connally at Parkland, testified before the WC:
Dr. SHAW. The bullet, in passing through the Governor’s chest wall struck the fifth rib at its midpoint and roughly followed the slanting direction of the fifth rib, shattering approximately 10 cm. of the rib.
https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh6/pdf/WH6_Shaw.pdf
The bullet that struck the Governor traveled along and shattered the rib, meeting resistance, and pushing Connally forward. The bullet also punctured Connally's lung.
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There are as many narratives of the JFKA as there are narrators, including endless theories about the true perps.
I do not know who were the true perps, though I suspect a very small conspiracy, possibly just two people and Lee Harvey Oswald.
As LHO's confederates were never apprehended, captivating theories have been fabricated, including the CIA, Mafia, KGB, LBJ, G-2, anti-Castro exiles, and others as the true perps, leading up to the very highest levels of government and enterprise.
Almost inevitably, the ideology drives the agenda, and the agenda drives the JFKA narrative. Tehran stooges and anti-Semitic crackpots are recently promoting the "Mossad did it" narratives on the JFKA.
However...WC supporters should keep in mind the HSCA did come down on the side of that there was a conspiracy in the JFKA. And WC bashers should remember the HSCA concluded LHO fired the lethal shots on 11/22.
Someday I will post my "Vatican Perped the JFJA" narrative. It will show how easy it is to put together a narrative based on "facts" and motives, and circumstantial evidence.
I do not believe the Vatican had anything to do with the JFKA.
Who was behind the JFKA? I am not sure.
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You say that JFK is struck ~Z-209. Examine the GIF below and describe what you see in it. That is, describe the movements of both JFK and Connally.
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