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Shelley intercepted Calvery at the "island" about 10 seconds after final shot
Tom Graves:
During the motorcade, large-and-tall, dark-blue-blouse-wearing / dark-blue-headscarf-wearing / plaid-skirt-wearing Gloria Calvery was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with her three headscarf-wearing South-West Publishing Company colleagues (from left to right in Zapruder: Karen Westbrook, Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, Gloria Calvery) only about 40 yards from the "island" that's across the street from the TSBD's front steps.
If you need "proof" of this, go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum website and read the articles that I and/or Sandy Larsen posted on Calvery and on self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob (whom certain JFKA heavyweights confused with Calvery in the Zapruder film eons ago.)
We can see Calvery and her dressed-all-in-white (including white headscarf) colleague, Hicks, on the steps in the Couch-Darnell clip 25-30 seconds after the final shot. We can even see a part of Calvery's plaid shirt in one or two of the frames.
In his 11/22/63 affidavit to the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department (24H226), William Shelley said, “The President’s car was about halfway from Houston Street to the Triple Underpass when I heard what sounded like three shots. I couldn’t tell where they came from. I ran across the street to the corner of the park [i.e., the "island"] and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery,” and in his 4/7/64 Warren Commission testimony (6H327), Shelley said, "Gloria Calvery from South-Western Publishing Company ran back up there crying and said, "The President has been shot," and Billy Lovelady and myself took off."
In his 4/7/64 Warren Commission testimony (6H336), Billy Lovelady said, "It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot."
Interestingly, in the same Couch-Darnell clip we can see DPD motorcycle officer Marion Baker running towards the TSBD steps, Shelley and Lovelady walking/running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot, and Calvery's other colleague, black-skirt-and-white-blouse-wearing Carol Reed, running past Shelley and Lovelady while bookin' it to the TSBD.
(Pat Speer speculates that Lovelady and Shelley sped up right after Reed passed them because she confirmed to them that JFK had been shot.)
Question:
Were Calvery and Hicks able to run to the "island" quickly enough to not only inform Shelley (and Lovelady?) there that JFK had been shot, but to give them 15-20 seconds to get as far down Elm Street Extension as we see them in Couch-Darnell?
My answer:
Having run the 40-yard dash in 4.8 seconds in high school (not bad for a big clodhopper like me), I say "Yes, they were."
Bottom line:
If Vicki Adams and /or Sandra Styles saw Shelley and /or Lovelady on the TSBD's first floor when they arrived there from the fourth floor, it must have been after Shelley and Lovelady had returned to the TSBD from the railway yard / parking lot (where they said they'd stayed for a minute-and-a-half, IIRC).
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 14, 2025, 10:46:55 AM ---During the motorcade, large-and-tall, dark-blue-blouse-wearing / dark-blue-headscarf-wearing / plaid-skirt-wearing Gloria Calvery was standing shoulder-to-shoulder with her three headscarf-wearing South-West Publishing Company colleagues (from left to right in Zapruder: Karen Westbrook, Karan Hicks, Carol Reed, Gloria Calvery) only about 40 yards from the "island" that's across the street from the TSBD's front steps.
We can see Calvery and her dressed-all-in-white (including white headscarf) colleague, Hicks, on the steps in the Couch-Darnell clip 25-30 seconds after the final shot. We can even see a part of Calvery's plaid shirt in one or two of the frames.
In his 11/22/63 affidavit to the Dallas County Sheriff’s Department (24H226), William Shelley said, “The President’s car was about halfway from Houston Street to the Triple Underpass when I heard what sounded like three shots. I couldn’t tell where they came from. I ran across the street to the corner of the park [i.e., the "island"] and ran into a girl crying and she said the President had been shot. The girl’s name is Gloria Calvery,” and in his 4/7/64 Warren Commission testimony (6H327), Shelley said, "Gloria Calvery from South-Western Publishing Company ran back up there crying and said, "The President has been shot," and Billy Lovelady and myself took off."
In his 4/7/64 Warren Commission testimony (6H336), Billy Lovelady said, "It didn't occur to me at first what had happened until this Gloria came running up to us and told us the President had been shot."
Interestingly, in the same Couch-Darnell clip we can see DPD motorcycle officer Marion Baker running towards the TSBD steps, Shelley and Lovelady walking/running down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot, and Calvery's other colleague, black-skirt-and-white-blouse-wearing Carol Reed, running past Shelley and Lovelady while bookin' it to the TSBD.
(Pat Speer speculates that Lovelady and Shelley sped up right after Reed passed them because she confirmed to them that JFK had been shot.)
Question:
Were Calvery and Hicks able to reach the "island" quickly enough to tell Shelley (and Lovelady?) there that JFK had been shot and enable them to get as far as they did down Elm Street Extension in Couch-Darnell as they apparently did just 25-30 seconds after the final shot?
My answer:
Having run the 40-yard dash in 4.8 seconds in high school (not bad for a big clodhopper like me), I say "Yes, they were."
Bottom line:
If Vicki Adams and /or Sandra Styles saw Shelley and /or Lovelady on the TSBD's first floor when they got there from the fourth floor, it must have been after Shelley and Lovelady had returned to the TSBD from the railway yard / parking lot (where they said they'd stayed for a minute-and-a-half, IIRC).
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Who has positively ID'd those 2 individuals going down the Elm St Ext as being Shelley & Lovelady? Other than Yourself? Please use caution with cavalierly slapping ID's on figures in JFK Assassination Films/Photos. Or repeating said same. Currently, the ID of DPD Motorcycle Officer Haygood being the motorcycle cop we see walking across the train yard on the Darnell Film is precariously hanging by a thread. The release of the last half of the NBC "Original" Darnell Film should put that erroneous Haygood ID to rest. Maybe this is what is holding up the release of that last 1/2 ?
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 14, 2025, 05:41:37 PM ---Who has positively ID'd those 2 individuals going down the Elm St Ext as being Shelley & Lovelady? Other than Yourself?
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you think it's just a "photographic processing anomaly" that the bold horizontal and vertical stripes in the shirt "Lovelady" is wearing Couch-Darnell perfectly correlate with the stripes in the shirt we know he was wearing that day?
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 14, 2025, 05:53:43 PM ---Dear Comrade Storing,
Do you think that the fact that the bold horizontal and vertical stripes in the shirt that the "Lovelady" figure in Couch-Darnell is wearing perfectly match up with the bold horizontal and vertical stripes in the shirt we know he was wearing that day is just a "photographic processing anomaly" coincidence?
-- Tom
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Think about your description, "....bold horizontal and vertical stripes.......". What you are describing is a checker'd shirt. Do you believe that Lovelady was wearing a checker'd shirt? And you have yet to tell me specifically who has definitively ID'd those 2 individuals going down the Elm St Ext as being Shelley and Lovelady.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 14, 2025, 09:11:42 PM ---What you are describing is a checkered shirt. Do you believe that Lovelady was wearing a checkered shirt?
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Dear Comrade Storing,
When I hear the word "checkered," I think of the board that the game of checkers (and chess) is played on.
It has sixty-eight equal-sized, alternating (typically) red-and-black squares on it, meaning that each square is relatively small compared to the overall size of the board.
Do you think Lovelady was wearing a shirt with a pattern of smallish, equal-sized squares on 11/22/63?
Or maybe you think he was wearing the shirt with the broad red-and-white vertical stripes that he was wearing at home when an FBI agent visited him and took some photos of him?
Regardless, do you agree that a brutish-looking Lovelady was "captured" on film by Martin and Hughes as he was standing on the TSBD's steps several minutes after the assassination, jutting his jaw outward while exhaling cigarette smoke and waiting to get back into the building, and/or do you agree that Lovelady was "captured" on film as he was sitting in-or-near the police station's Homicide and Robbery Bureau when they walked Oswald past him on their way to an interrogation room?
If so, that's the "checkered" or "plaid" shirt I'm talking about.
You've seen the frames from Couch-Darnell that have been photographically processed (contrast-adjusted?) in such a way as to show the pattern of bold horizontal and vertical stripes in said shirt, haven't you?
-- Tom
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