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LHO as KGB, G-2 Asset or Double Agent?

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Benjamin Cole:
So, what is the upshot of Bruce Solie as putative KGB asset, in relation to the JFKA?

None at all? LHO acted alone?

Are you sure there is no G-2 connections to LHO?

No Alpha 66 connections?

Michael T. Griffith:

--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---MG--Thanks for your collegial comments.

Adams told the WC she may have waited up to 30 seconds before leaving for the stairs. Even that is anough time for LHO to have preceded her down the stairs.
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I don't see how, given what we know just from the WC's very rigged reenactment of Oswald's alleged movements, and given how carefully the rifle was hidden (see below).

Adams did not believe she waited 30 seconds, but she was pressured into saying she may HAVE waited up to 30 seconds. She discerned early on that WC attorneys were quite hostile toward her account. When she spoke with Barry Ernest, she insisted she left almost immediately after the shots ended.

But, even assuming she waited 30 seconds, given that she was starting from the fourth floor and thus had a two-floor headstart on anyone coming down from the sixth floor, I still don't see how Oswald could have beaten her so far down the stairs that she did not even hear him on the stairs, even though the stairs were noisy.

I suggest you read Ernest's book The Girl on the Stairs, partly to get a better understanding of how the WC's attorneys pressured Adams and misrepresented her.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---But in one interview, Styles said it was longer than that, that Adams, had, in effect, succumbed to the lure of drama.
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Or so the interview summary claimed. When Ernest interviewed Styles, she said no such thing but ardently supported Adams' and Garner's accounts.

Keep in mind, too, that Jack Dougherty, who was working on the fifth floor near the stairway, said he heard no one coming down the stairs.

As I mentioned earlier, no one has yet explained how Oswald could have gone through the second-floor foyer door in time to be seen by Baker just beyond the door and with the door closed or almost closed without first being seen by Truly, who was running well ahead of Baker.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---Garner said what she said, but then witness statements (and I worked the courts for two years) are...well, very hit and miss. I have seen witnesses blithely recount internally impossible narratives on the stand.
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Garner's account was corroborated by Adams and Styles, and her account is consistent with the timing indicated by the WC's own rigged reenactment.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---LHO likely, in advance, arranged the cubbyhole into which he dropped his rifle post-JFKA, as it was between the sniper's nest and the exit. It would have taken him one second to drop the rifle in.
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Even assuming the gunman set up the hiding in advance, he still would have had to take at least 15 seconds to hide. Consider these facts:

The rifle was hidden inside a square of chest-high boxes, i.e., stacked at least 5 feet high. To get to the spot where the rifle lay, the gunman would have had to scale those boxes twice, once to get in and again to get out. Furthermore, inside that wall of boxes, the rifle was squeezed between two boxes and was standing on the tip of its upper butt with the upper tip of its muzzle leaning against one of the boxes. Moreover, the rifle was covered with paper and was under two overlapping boxes piled one on the other. So there's no way the rifle could have been merely dropped into its hiding spot.

The WC ignored all this and pretended that the gunman merely dropped the rifle into its hiding place, when in fact he would have had to climb over boxes, slide the rifle in between two of the boxes, then put paper over it, and then climb back over the boxes.

As I said, hiding the rifle would have taken a bare minimum of 15 seconds.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---My best guess LHO was either a look-out for the JFKA, or himself fired three rounds off towards the JFK limo. In earnest or as intentional misses (replay of the Walker shooting), I dunno.
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I think the evidence shows he was on the first and second floor during the shooting and that he briefly watched the motorcade. I don't think he had anything to do with the shooting, which explains why the NAA testing of his right-cheek paraffin cast found no traces of nitrates, and why VSA polygraph analysis of his statement that he didn't shoot anybody indicates he was telling the truth.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---In your scenario, how did the "real" TSBD6 sniper window shooter escape unseen? If it was not LHO, then who?
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I can think of a number of ways the two men on the sixth floor could have escaped. They may well have been the two nicely dressed men whom Deputy Sheriff Luke Mooney encountered coming down the stairs when Mooney was heading up the stairs at around 12:45/12:50. Mooney assumed they were plain clothes deputy sheriffs. Incredibly, the WC made no effort to identify these men.

The two phony Secret Service agents whom Officer Harkness encountered in the rear of the TSBD could have helped the two men escape or may have been the two men.

No law officer was on the stairs between 12:33 and 12:45.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---As I say, my read on the Z-film shows Connally struck at Z-295 and JFK at Z-313, so a lone gunsel with a single-shot bolt-action rifle is ruled out.
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I agree.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---That is puzzling about the boxes being moved post-JFKA. I have no explanation.
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I think the explanation is that Mrs. Mooneyham saw the two men on the sixth floor at a time when Oswald could not have been there, and that another witness saw boxes being moved around in the sixth-floor window when Oswald could not have been there. 


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---Another interesting question is why LHO moved the rifle from the sniper's nest to the cubbyhole. Why not leave the rifle in situ?
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I don't believe that Oswald was on the sixth floor after 12:05 or 12:10.

Why not leave the rifle in situ? Because that would have seemed too pat, too unbelievable, too convenient. It was bad enough that they left the bullet shells in plain view to be easily found, which should cause logical people to wonder why the gunman would have bothered to so carefully hide the rifle but not hide the much smaller shells.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---LHO's immediate post-JFKA action and behavior is that of a man who was complicit or believed he had been framed for the JFKA.
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I think it's clear that he realized he had been set up. 


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---If LHO was totally innocent, why brandish a handgun inside the Texas Theater, after entering surreptitiously?
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He didn't enter without paying. He paid for a movie ticket and was in the theater by 1:07.

We have only the DPD's word that he brandished a handgun and tried to shoot one of the officers. The FBI lab started the myth that the handgun misfired due to a faulty primer. However,
FBI firearms expert Cortlandt Cunningham apparently didn't get the memo on this false talking point, because he told the WC that the revolver never once misfired when the FBI fired over 100 bullets from it (3 H 463). This indicates that the arresting DPD officers lied when they claimed that Oswald tried to shoot them in the theater.

Witnesses heard Oswald cry out that he was not resisting arrest, so it makes no sense that he would have tried to shoot one of the officers.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---Why tell the media "I am a patsy," instead of "Oh, this must be a simple case of mistaken identity. I must resemble a suspect." Indeed, LHO saying he had been made into a patsy...suggests he knew something of a plot (even a false flag plot), and who made him a patsy.
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You're forgetting that Oswald also emphatically denied the charges and publicly insisted that he didn't shoot anybody, and his claim has been verified by VSA.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---My take is LHO was in the JFKA up to his eyeballs. Not sure how. That does not rule out a conspiracy, but IMHO, likely a very small one, maybe just Alpha 66 splinter-group types. By reputation, those guys did not need permission from anyone.
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Keep in mind that several cars scouted the area behind the grassy knoll 15-20 minutes before the shooting. Remember that at least three phony Secret Service agents were in Dealey Plaza. Keep in mind that a wealthy, well-connected right-wing extremist with ties to anti-Castro Cubans, Joseph Milteer, was heard on a surveillance tape weeks before the assassination revealing that knew that a plot to kill JFK was in the works. Keep in mind the considerable evidence--both physical evidence and eyewitness accounts--that a gunman was firing from the grassy knoll.

This is just some of the evidence that the plot was not very small.


--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 12, 2025, 05:09:02 PM ---BTW I have been banned again from EF-JFKA by the crackpot martinet.
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Oh my goodness! That's just crazy. Yesterday I sent a private message to James Gordon asking him to do something about Niederhut and telling him about the bogus bans imposed on you and me. So far he has not replied.

Benjamin Cole:
MG-

Again, thanks for your collegial comments. It is great to have conversations about the JFKA, without rancor.

We are on different pages on where was LHO during the JFKA---I suspect strongly he was the figure seen firing a rifle in TSBD6 sniper window.  I will discuss this at greater length later, in a separate thread, if you wish. 

I started this thread to puzzle over over Bruce Solie possibly running LHO, and Woolsey's narrative that LHO was a KGB asset, and Richard Case Nagell's commentary that both he and LHO were double agents. This on top of Marchetti's musing that the CIA was so infiltrated with KGB'ers it was hard to know who, de facto, was running what. LHO's meeting with Kostikov. LHO's Marxism, which Hancock says was genuine.

Marchetti suggested the reason for the JFKA cover-up was to hide this infiltration, and the possible result: the JFKA.

A very small plot of witting participants could include the guy who did the GK smoke-and-bang show. 

One shooter with LHO on TSBD6 and one guy on the GK, as a diversion. Three total. No paperwork, no bosses, just Herminio Diaz and Eladio Del Valle, both dead by 1966-7.

But back on thread: Do you think it was possible that Solie was running LHO?

As usual, just IMHO, caveat emptor, and draw our own conclusions.

Tom Graves:

--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 13, 2025, 03:51:53 AM ---A very small plot of witting participants could include the guy who did the GK smoke-and-bang show.

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"The guy who did the GK smoke-and-bang show"

LOL

I seriously doubt that there was a "smoke and bang" diversion from the Grassy Knoll, but if there was, my choice would be Gilberto Policarpo Lopez.

Tom Graves:

--- Quote from: Benjamin Cole on September 13, 2025, 01:52:52 AM ---So, what is the upshot of Bruce Solie as putative KGB asset, in relation to the JFKA?

None at all? LHO acted alone?

Are you sure there is no G-2 connections to LHO?

No Alpha 66 connections?

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The upshot (three down shots, actually) is that if Newman and I are right about Bruce Leonard Solie, Leonard V. McCoy, and FEDORA, et al. ad nauseam, the aforementioned Solie, McCoy, and FEDORA, et al. ad nauseum, zombified the CIA and the FBI whether or not the self-described Marxist and former Marine sharpshooter / U-2 radar operator known as Lee Harvey Oswald received encouragement and/or logistical support from the KGB, the GRU, or the DGI, and that KGB-zombified (or worse) people like Mark Lane, Jim Garrison and Oliver Stone have unwittingly(?) done the KGB's bidding in distorting the facts of the anomaly-replete JFKA in its efforts to get us to tear ourselves apart.

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