This is to help Royell Storing locate Gloria Calvery during the motorcade

[Royell Storing]

How so?

Calvery may even have met Shelley and/or Lovelady near the "island" about 15 seconds after the final shot and continued on her way to the steps when they started walking down Elm Street Extension towards the railway yard / parking lot.

There are many reasons for believing Calvery was the big/tall gal in Zapruder and Betzner-3 (you do agree that the gal standing to the immediate left of John Templin in the Zapruder film is big and tall, don't you?).

Do you agree that the face of the woman I'm referring to in Betzner-3 resembles the face of Gloria Calvery (you can google her name if you have to)?

If you'll go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum, you'll see that not only is the big/tall gal wearing a dark-colored blouse and a dark-colored headscarf and standing next to her dressed in all-white colleague, but that a strip of the big/tall gal's neutral-colored skirt is visible in Couch-Darnell, too.

I could go on and on, but that's enough for now.

Get back to me after you've done some "research" on the issue at the Ed Forum, or maybe even here.

-- Tom

   Calvery MAY even have met Shelley and/or Lovelady NEAR the island....". I have no idea what this Specifically means. "MAY"? "NEAR"?  We are dealing in seconds here. The alleged traveled distance of Calvery in 25 seconds being absolutely critical. Yet, you choose to employ the disclaimers of "May" and "Near"? Not only is this weak choice of wording Not convincing, it also signals that even You have doubt. Thanks again for providing that link to the Ed Forum.

[Tom Graves]

Calvery MAY even have met Shelley and/or Lovelady NEAR the island....". I have no idea what this Specifically means. "MAY"? "NEAR"?  We are dealing in seconds here. The alleged traveled distance of Calvery in 25 seconds being absolutely critical. Yet, you choose to employ the disclaimers of "May" and "Near"? Not only is this weak choice of wording Not convincing, it also signals that even You have doubt. Thanks again for providing that link to the Ed Forum.

Dear Comrade Storing,

Don't you know what the modal verb "may" means?

It means "might".

Regardless, didn't Shelley testify that he spoke with a crying Calvery on-or-near "the island," and that Calvery told him that JFK had been shot?

Since Calvery and her dressed-in-all-white work colleague (Karan Hicks or Carol Reed) were standing only about 40 yards from 'the island" during the motorcade, don't you think ten seconds (not 25) was enough time for them to reach said "island" and for Calvery to tell Shelley there that JFK had been shot?

Rhetorical question: Do you think Shelley and Lovelady somehow stayed on the steps for "about three minutes" after the final shot but somehow left them and started heading for the railway yard / parking lot as soon as Gloria Calvery told them that JFK had been shot?

Are you still not convinced that that's big/tall, dark-blue-blouse-wearing and dark-blue-head-scarf-wearing Calvery standing on a lower step in Couch-Darnell about 30 seconds after the final shot?

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  When people start using words like "may" and "might", they are simply Not presenting a persuasive position on an issue. What would the jury think of a prosecutor that used words like "may" or "might"?  When you look at the issue at hand: (1) We do Not know that we are seeing the Back of Calvery, and (2) We do Not know that we are seeing Shelley and Lovelady moving down the Elm St Ext. Basically, we do Not even know if we are seeing the Main Players. To the contrary, we have Sworn Testimony from 2 eyewitnesses that directly refutes the case being presented. Easy call to make.   

[Tom Graves]

We do not know that we are seeing the back of Calvery on the TSBD steps about 30 seconds after the final shot.

Yes, we do Iacoletti I mean Storing.

Go to the Ed Forum and do some research.

-- Tom

[Royell Storing]

  A link was provided to the Ed Forum. I used it. My time is better spent Not looking at someone's BACK or a couple of nondescript figures moving down the Elm St Ext. Though I am interested in just who these guys might be and where they came from. Their close proximity to the "wide open" Huge Gates makes them people of interest.   

[Tom Graves]

A link was provided to the Ed Forum. I used it. My time is better spent Not looking at someone's back or a couple of nondescript figures moving down the Elm St Ext. Though I am interested in just who these guys might be and where they came from. Their close proximity to the "wide open" Huge Gates makes them people of interest.

Figures.

Question: If it could be proved to you that Gloria Calvery is standing on a lower step in Couch-Darnell, would you then assert that Couch-Darnell has been altered, or that it was filmed three minutes or [fill in the blank] after the final shot, not 30 seconds?