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This is to help Royell Storing locate Gloria Calvery during the motorcade
Tom Graves:
Storing,
Big/tall, dark-blue blouse and dark-blue headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery was standing immediately to the left of John Templin in the Zapruder film.
Templin is #324 in this diagram.
Calvery is #172, mislabled as "Jean McKenna," or some-such thing.
The scale for the diagram is at the bottom of same.
https://craigciccone.blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/img_3534.jpg
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 11, 2025, 01:33:01 AM ---Storing,
Big/tall, dark-blue blouse and dark-blue headscarf-wearing Gloria Calvery was standing immediately to the left of John Templin in the Zapruder film.
Templin is #324 in this diagram.
Calvery is #172, mislabled as "Jean McKenna," or some-such thing.
The scale for the diagram is at the bottom of same.
https://craigciccone.blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/img_3534.jpg
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Thanks for trying to help me, but how can I rely on this map when it has Umbrella Man well out of position?
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2025, 01:57:10 AM ---Thanks for trying to help me, but how can I rely on this map when it has Umbrella Man well out of position?
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The guy who made this diagram did make a lot of mistakes, but he did place John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly on Elm Street. They are #324 and #325, respectively.
Can you find Templin and Brandt in the Zapruder film?
(Even Robin Unger has them labeled correctly in a well-known Z frame he posted on the Internet eons ago.)
Good!
That's big/tall Gloria Calvery standing immediately to the left of Templin. In the diagram she's #172, mislabeled as "Jean McKenna" or some-such thing.
Use the scale at the bottom of the diagram to figure out how far Calvery was standing from the steps during the motorcade.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 11, 2025, 02:04:01 AM ---The guy who made this diagram did make a lot of mistakes, but he did place John Templin and Ernest Brandt correctly on Elm Street. They are #324 and #325, respectively.
Can you find Templin and Brandt in the Zapruder film?
(Even Robin Unger has them labeled correctly in a well-known Z frame he posted on the Internet eons ago.)
Good!
That's big/tall Gloria Calvery standing immediately to the left of Templin. In the diagram she's #172, mislabeled as "Jean McKenna" or some-such thing.
Use the scale at the bottom of the diagram to figure out how far Calvery was standing from the steps during the motorcade.
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As I said on another thread, Calvery is standing roughly 1/2 a football field away from the TSBD. 25 seconds after the kill shot she's already at the base of the TSBD? You gotta timeline problem. Based on that alone, I do Not believe we are seeing the BACK of Calvery.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2025, 02:30:10 AM ---As I said on another thread, Calvery is standing roughly 1/2 a football field away from the TSBD. 25 seconds after the kill shot she's already at the base of the TSBD? You gotta timeline problem. Based on that alone, I do Not believe we are seeing the BACK of Calvery.
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Comrade Storing,
As I said, go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum website and find the articles that Sandy Larsen and I wrote about Calvery's location during the motorcade and where she was about 25 seconds after the assassination.
Just take it from Sandy and me -- that's big/tall Calvery standing next to her slender, dressed-in-all-white work colleague on the TSBD steps in Couch-Darnell about 25 seconds after the final shot.
Calvery (and her dressed-in-all-white colleague) can even be seen in Betzner-3 standing on the other side of the Secret Service follow-up car just before JFK was shot. Interestingly, JFKA CT/Contrarian John Iacoletti, denying that this woman was Calvery, labeled her "Glasses Woman" until he realized that Calvery always wore big, ugly, black-framed glasses, at which point he started referring to the woman in Betzner-3 (Calvary) by some other moniker.
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Betzner%20Gallery
Regardless, I believe we can see Lovelady and Shelley walking/running in the direction of the railway yard / parking lot in the Couch-Darnell clip. If I'm right, and if Lovelady and Shelley were telling the truth when they said they left the steps as soon as Calvery told them that JFK had been shot, then it's logical to assume that Calvery covered your 150 feet / 50 yards in about ten seconds (heck, I used to run it in about six) and told Lovelady and Shelley that JFK had been shot, thereby giving them about ten seconds to get almost to your HUGE GATES!!!
-- Tom
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