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Online Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Morley Goes Aftter Ruth Paine
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2025, 03:05:15 PM »
Wow, "they" even got to Ruth's family ... nah, this was probably written (a few months ago) on a keyboard at Langley ...

I'm a member of Ruth's family, and I guarantee you that she is a devout Quaker, and an unusually honest, generous, and indeed naive woman. I've been close to her for decades, though I was a small child at the time of the assassination. Her marriage to Michael was falling apart during the early 60s, and in fact they divorced not long after. She raised her two children as a single mother, and worked as the principal of a Quaker school in Pennsylvania and later as a school psychologist in Florida. She has been active in Quaker causes all her adult life. As she says, she is an extremely independent person. There's no possibility that she would have helped the CIA in any way at any time in her life, because it would not have lined up with her politics or her ethics. In fact, throughout her life she's been one of the most strictly ethical people I've ever known, even going so far as withholding taxes (in escrow) so as not to contribute to military spending. If she has a significant fault, it is her earnest naivety and over-generosity, which led her into this calamitous situation.

Does the CT community actually not realize what utter fools they make themselves when they decide to make Ruth Paine - RUTH PAINE??? - into a dark and evil figure? This is the JFKA counterpart to UFO lunacy of the level "Queen Elizabeth was actually a shape-shifting reptilian alien."
There are a few CTers who are appalled at the allegations. But they are drowned out by the mob, the radicals.

This has been the problem starting with the Garrison claims: the radicals, the Garrisonites, simply shout down the more reasonable types, those that saw through Garrison's abuses. They intimidate them, silence them, accuse them of being CIA agents, of helping the "nutters", et cetera. It's a microcosm of the political/online debate we have between the MAGA Right and the Woke Left. It's all name calling and character assaults with little discussion about actual policies or issues.
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Offline Lance Payette

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Re: Morley Goes Aftter Ruth Paine
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2025, 03:11:49 PM »
There are a few CTers who are appalled at the allegations. But they are drowned out by the mob, the radicals.
I have been dismayed, though, at the Evil Ruth Bandwagon, which includes some CTers I would not have expected. An awful lot who aren't as far into the ozone as Michael Griffith nevertheless seem to have dark suspicions and that sort of thing. It all fits with the pattern I've observed over the past few years, of even CTers I once thought to be more or less reasonable revealing themselves to be considerably wackier than I had appreciated.

Offline Fred Litwin

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Re: Morley Goes Aftter Ruth Paine
« Reply #9 on: September 11, 2025, 12:51:00 PM »
https://www.onthetrailofdelusion.com/post/jefferson-morley-platforms-max-good

Jefferson Morley Platforms Max Good

Here is my reply to Max Good about Ruth Paine.

Offline Richard Smith

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Re: Morley Goes Aftter Ruth Paine
« Reply #10 on: September 11, 2025, 01:40:29 PM »
Of all the unhinged JFK conspiracy theories the notion that Ruth Paine, a Quaker housewife, was the mastermind behind a conspiracy to kill JFK has to rank.  CTers, however, are in a bind since the chain of events that led to Oswald working in the TSBD goes through her and tea parties.  So it must be so, or the chain is broken and their fantasies about a conspiracy disintegrate.

Online Tom Scully

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Re: Morley Goes Aftter Ruth Paine
« Reply #11 on: Today at 09:06:57 PM »
Ruth's family resided in 1930 with a future CIA officer who reported to Bruce Solie. So what?

"Taylor" is a typo for Talbot
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https://aarclibrary.org/2018/01/27/the-jfk-case-the-twelve-who-built-the-oswald-legend-part-12-the-endgame/

....Like Hyde, the Hoke family was also involved in looking for communists. There is a 1955 memo to the CIA’s Office of Security, discussing how William Avery Hyde was back in his hometown of Palo Alto visiting the Hokes. Brought into the circle was Dr. Jenkins and also Taylor Bielefeldt,

Bielefeldt was the CIA chief of the USSR Division of the Foreign Documents Division, who had spent a lot of time with Ruth’s parents William and Carol Hyde in the 1920s and 1930s. Bielefeldt’s division worked with the Joint Publications Research Service, a CIA unit that monitored public documents to study scientific and technical developments in the Soviet bloc.

Several people close to Oswald were also active in the Joint Publications Research Service. These people include legend maker #3 Priscilla Johnson, the NANA reporter in Moscow who befriended the Oswald family; legend maker #4 Richard Snyder, the American consul in Moscow; and the allegedly unwitting Spas Raikin, who greeted the Oswald family when they arrived in New York City from the USSR in 1962.

The 1955 memo mentions that Hoke, Bielefeldt and the aforementioned Dr. Richard Jenkins were all Stanford graduates. Hoke has been described as “a very brilliant person who is not very stable but who is very creative.”

The focus of the 1955 meeting was about Paul and Violet Orr. Both were Communist Party members in the San Francisco Bay Area. Paul had just been harshly interrogated by HUAC earlier that year. Violet had worked in the 1930s in the CP-friendly American League Against War and Fascism, just as Harvey’s informant Elizabeth Bentley had done....


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