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Calvery's location in Darnell supports those 2 guys' being Lovelady and Shelley
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 10, 2025, 08:14:54 PM --- The woman you claim is Calvery on the Darnell Film, how long after we see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext are we seeing this woman? The currently accepted timeline with respect to Officer Smith as seen on the Darnell Film is about 30 seconds after the Kill Shot. Calvery was originally positioned close to the Stemmons Sign. So how much time has elapsed after the Kill Shot are we seeing this woman "on the lower TSBD Step"? Also, I believe Calvery and her chums are on film walking from high to low across the Knoll in front of the Pergola after the Kill Shot. They are very shaken/upset. Are you claiming that Calvery was at, "the lower TSBD Step" and then she and her buddies turned around and went up the Knoll and then were filmed coming back down the knoll? As shaken as these women are on this film, I doubt they go from the Stemmons sign to the TSBD, turn around, walk down Elm St, walk up the knoll, and walk down the Knoll in the direction of Thornton sign. Their emotional state does not jibe with this back-n-forth, up-and-down travel. I think that woman at the "lower TSBD Step" on the Darnell Film is Not Calvery. Remember that you are ID'ing her from the Back.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Big/tall Gloria Calvery and her three head-scarf-wearing South West Publishing Company colleagues were not standing very near the Stemmons freeway sign.
Perhaps you're still confusing her with self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob and her two TSBD work colleagues -- whose statements mistakenly put them on the other side of Elm Street -- Gloria Jeanne Holt and light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons -- as they appear in the Zapruder film to be standing right next to the Stemmons sign but in fact were some distance away from it towards the TSBD.
Bottom line: Calvary and her group were standing even closer to the TSBD than Jacob and her group were, and therefore she was only about 60 feet from the steps during the motorcade.
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 10, 2025, 09:54:07 PM ---Dear Comrade Storing,
Big/tall Gloria Calvery and her three head-scarf-wearing South West Publishing Company colleagues were not standing very near the Stemmons freeway sign.
Perhaps you're still confusing her with self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob and her two TSBD work colleagues -- whose statements mistakenly put them on the other side of Elm Street -- Gloria Jeanne Holt and light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons -- as they appear in the Zapruder film to be standing right next to the Stemmons sign but in fact were some distance away from it towards the TSBD.
Bottom line: Calvary and her group were standing even closer to the TSBD than Jacob and her group were, and therefore she was only about 60 feet from the steps during the motorcade.
-- Tom
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I just took a look at my large, detailed map of Dealey Plaza 11/22/63. It details the autos in the Rail Road yard, who was standing where, extremely detailed. It has Calvary standing about 3/4 of the way down the sidewalk between the corner and the Stemmons Sign.
Again, how long after we see DPD Officer Smith running down the Elm St Ext are we seeing the BACK of this lady?
Thus far, you have supplied no evidence to corroborate that being the BACK of Calvary.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2025, 12:44:22 AM ---Thus far you have supplied no evidence to corroborate that we are seeing the back of Gloria Calvary as she's standing next to her dressed-in-all-white work colleague on the TSBD steps about 25 seconds after the final shot. [paraphrased]
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Dear Comrade Storing,
I'm not going to "reinvent the wheel" just for you.
If you're interested in how in 2017 or so (JFKA CT!!!) Sandy Larsen and I located Calvery in the Zapruder film, and how we then located her on the TSBD steps about 25 seconds after the final shot, go to the so-called JFK Assassination Debate - Education Forum and do some poking around on the issue.
Hint: You might want to first read what Sandy and I posted about the misidentification of self-described American Indian Stella Mae Jacob and her two TSBD work colleagues, Gloria Jeanne Holt and light-blue-headscarf-wearing Sharon Simmons, in the Zapruder film and in a later section of the Darnell film as they're walking back towards the TSBD.
Here, I'll help you get started:
https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/23721-photographic-identification-of-stella-jacob-gloria-holt-and-sharon-simmons/#comment-349815
Enjoy!
-- Tom
Royell Storing:
So you are claiming that Calvery went from that far down the sidewalk to the foot of the TSBD in 25 Seconds after the Kill Shot? You have a very serious timeline issue right outta the box.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 11, 2025, 01:17:53 AM ---So you are claiming that Calvery went from that far down the sidewalk to the foot of the TSBD in 25 Seconds after the Kill Shot? You have a very serious timeline issue right outta the box.
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Dear Comrade Storing,
Sixty feet is a long distance to cover in 5 to 10 seconds?
Regardless, maybe this will help you.
Scroll down to the second photo in the fourth row.
https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Bronson%20Gallery
Just in front of the silver-colored convertible, you can see a black "blob" with a light-blue thingy on top.
That back "blob" is Stella Mae Jacob and/or Gloria Jeanne Holt with Sharon Simmons, and the light-blue "thingy" is the light-blue headscarf that Simmons was wearing that day.
You can see the pole for the Stemmons Freeway sign to their left.
Factoid: From this perspective, Gloria Calvery and her group were standing about 10-15 feet to the right of Jacob and her group during the motorcade.
-- Tom
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