Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?

[Royell Storing]

RS: your "curb" stuff carries absolutely no weight

the "curb stuff" shows where Darnell was standing on the north/south axis when he was filming Walthers, Harkness, and the motorcycle cop whom you deny is Haygood. And that he was much further south than you want to admit.


RS: The dirt portion of the Elm St Ext that we see both No Glove Cop and Harkness standing on, does a "Dog Leg" to the viewer's (R)

As I've already mentioned, you can see a line of bollards between Harkness' and the motorcycle cop's position. If they were both standing on opposite sides of the dirt road, those bollards would run across the road, making it useless as a road. So the dirt road is not between those two policemen, QED.


That dirt portion of the Elm St Extension is NOT close to being in direct line with your Elm St Extension curb.

That's good, because Darnell and Harkness are both south of the dirt road.


Like 99% of the JFK Assassination Researchers, you are unfamiliar with both the Elm St Extension and the railroad yard.

Apparently, I'm much more aware of what's there than you are. Otherwise you would have understood the significance of the line of bollards between Harkness and the MC.

   Just take a look at the Towner Film. After the JFK Limo turns onto Elm St and permits unobstructed viewing of the Traffic Signal, Fedora Man can be seen standing close enough to the Traffic Signal to touch it.

    The dirt road is roughly 2 lanes wide. "No Glove Cop" and Officer Harkness are on opposite sides of that 2 lanes wide dirt road.

[Mitch Todd]

   Just take a look at the Towner Film. After the JFK Limo turns onto Elm St and permits unobstructed viewing of the Traffic Signal, Fedora Man can be seen standing close enough to the Traffic Signal to touch it.

    The dirt road is roughly 2 lanes wide. "No Glove Cop" and Officer Harkness are on opposite sides of that 2 lanes wide dirt road.

We aren't talking about the Towner film, "Fedora Man" or a traffic signal here. They have no import on the issues in question.

Again --for the third time-- the Darnell film shows a line of bollards that run between Harkness and the motorcycle cop. Because of this, the dirt road cannot be  between Harkness and the MC. Period.

[Tommy Shanks]

Again --for the third time-- the Darnell film shows a line of bollards that run between Harkness and the motorcycle cop. Because of this, the dirt road cannot be  between Harkness and the MC. Period.

Shocker: Royell Storing is beyond dead wrong with his amateur photo and film analysis.

[Zeon Mason]

Where these 2 plainclothes men the same 2 men that Baker and Truly run into at the rear elevators on the ground floor as early as 75 post shots?

If so , were those the same 2 plainclothes men that DPD officer Barnett saw at the rear loading dock within less than 60 sec post shots?

Were those 2 plainclothes men the same 2 men that Adams and Stiles saw when they had exited via the TSBD back door( about 60 sec post shots also)  , and the men having told Adams to go back inside? A&S apparently ignored the command and went outside anyway because tgey  arrived out front by the TSBD main entrance ( where they were photographed)

If those 2 plainclothes men were the ones outside that Adams and Barnett saw at 60 sec post shots , then perhaps they went into TSBD via  rear door and were standing near  the rear elevators to be seen by Truly and Baker at 70-75 sec post shots mark.

Then perhaps they went  up the staircases just after Baker and Truly, with intent to help search some of the floors.

Why Baker did not ask who the men were or attempt to coordinate with them searching the floors , is a mystery.

Why there was no conversation with nor coordination with Luke Mooney when the 2 plainclothes men come back the stairs is equally    a mystery.

[Royell Storing]

We aren't talking about the Towner film, "Fedora Man" or a traffic signal here. They have no import on the issues in question.

Again --for the third time-- the Darnell film shows a line of bollards that run between Harkness and the motorcycle cop. Because of this, the dirt road cannot be  between Harkness and the MC. Period.

    I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension. When the alleged motorcycle cop changes directions, and walks DOWNWARD onto that dirt road, there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop. If the lack of clarity on the Darnell Film you are looking at is clouding your judgement, a good overhead view of this portion of the railroad yard will help. I can direct you to such if need be. Just let me know.

[Mitch Todd]

    I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension. When the alleged motorcycle cop changes directions, and walks DOWNWARD onto that dirt road, there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop. If the lack of clarity on the Darnell Film you are looking at is clouding your judgement, a good overhead view of this portion of the railroad yard will help. I can direct you to such if need be. Just let me know.

RS:  I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension.

So why did you bring up the limo turn and traffic signal in the Wegman film?

there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop.

Yes there are! Not only can you see many of them in the Darnell film, others are made obvious when the motorcycle cop walks behind them.

Here, bollards are outlined in red. Note that one is in Harkness' shadow:


Here, "B" marks where the line of bollards is. You can see that two of them are silhouetted by the MC as he walks behind them:


Here he is a half step later:








 

[Royell Storing]

    I am talking about the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension. When the alleged motorcycle cop changes directions, and walks DOWNWARD onto that dirt road, there are NO BOLLARDS between Officer Harkness and this alleged motorcycle cop. If the lack of clarity on the Darnell Film you are looking at is clouding your judgement, a good overhead view of this portion of the railroad yard will help. I can direct you to such if need be. Just let me know.

  Bump. The above clearly shows I am talking about, "the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension". That "dirt road" DEAD ENDS into your outlined bollards. The "No Glove Cop" and Officer Harkness are BOTH on the Elm St Extension when that alleged cop walks between/through the bollards. At this point, the alleged cop and Harkness are physically on the dirt road, and there are no bollards between them. This has consistently been my stated position.

[Mitch Todd]

  Bump. The above clearly shows I am talking about, "the dirt road portion of the Elm St Extension". That "dirt road" DEAD ENDS into your outlined bollards. The "No Glove Cop" and Officer Harkness are BOTH on the Elm St Extension when that alleged cop walks between/through the bollards. At this point, the alleged cop and Harkness are physically on the dirt road, and there are no bollards between them. This has consistently been my stated position.

RS: That "dirt road" DEAD ENDS into your outlined bollards

Not true at all. In the Darnell film, the line of cars to the left of the image is clearly seen extending to the west end of the "long house" sitting directly to the east of  Bowers' tower. This fact allows us to locate which spur Darnell, Harkness, and the MC are next to. Any aerial image of the RR yard clearly shows that the road crosses that line of cars and continues on. In fact, the dirt road turns to the north and extends well beyond the E-W tracks and to the northern end of the rail yard.

You need to stop just making things up as you go along.

Again, here is an annotated photo showing the railyard: