Who Were the Two Men Heading *Down* the Stairs at NLT 12:50?

[Royell Storing]

RS: So you are claiming the Darnell film snippet showing Haygood, Harkness, and Walthers together is happening BEFORE Euins was loaded into Inspector Sawyer's car

Exactly


What are you claiming Harkness did with Euins, if you are claiming Euins was NOT Loaded into Sawyer's car until, "12:45, more like 1:00"?

I'm not claiming that. That is simply your projection. I'm saying that the Nat Geo footage you like to point to is so much later than Harkness showing up with Euins that no proper conclusion can be drawn from the Nat Geo footage.

 
RS: You can Not get around the documented radio transmissions.  Haygood - 12:35 from the Elm St curb. Harkness - 12:36.  That alleged motorcycle cop in the Darnell Film is NOT HAYGOOD. It is physically impossible for Haygood to be in 2 places at once.

Your conclusion does not follow the evidence. Nor does anything I said require Haygood be "two places at once." That's just an assumption you've made to support an unevidenced position.

   Your made up story is full of holes. Big Holes! Under your Made Up timelines, you are unable to explain what Harkness did with Euins between his 12:36 radio transmission and 12:45-1:00. You also can NOT get around Haygood making a 12:35 radio transmission from his motorcycle at the Elm St Curb near the Triple Underpass. This 12:35 Haygood radio transmission, means the Darnell Troika footage of Haygood, Harkness, and Walthers would have to be at 12:34. Except the Harkness 12:36 radio transmission makes that IMPOSSIBLE.  Harkness testified that he loaded Euins into Sawyer's car BEFORE securing the rear of the TSBD.  These are HARD FACTS. That motorcycle cop ain't Haygood. The timelines and testimonies make your fabricated story Impossible.
     If you actually read the Euins WC Testimony, he pinpoints EXACTLY where he met Harkness. Like your full of holes fictional story, your location for the Harkness/Euins 1st meeting is ENTIRELY WRONG. This is what happens when you make things up. It snowballs and then quickly unravels when confronted with Hard Facts. 

[John Mytton]

There seem to be some confusion about this matter and admittedly at first I relied on some time estimates which probably weren't right. But anyway this post outlines some of the main players. Feel free to add any relevant testimony and/or photos and GIFs which can help solve Royell's latest conspiracy.

Mr. EUINS. I was here at "B."
(At this point, Representative Ford entered the hearing room.)
(Witness marking.)
Mr. EUINS. I was coming down like this here, and there was a policeman, you know there is a little cut you can come through there. There was a policeman standing right around here.
Mr. SPECTER. Where was the policeman standing? Mark that with point "C," Amos.
Mr. EUINS. Right there.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. You ran past the policeman standing at point C?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir. You see, I come from point B, and ran here, and told the policeman I had seen the shot, because they were looking at the railroad tracks. So he put me on the cycle and he went to here.
Mr. SPECTER. He put you on the cycle and took you where?
Mr. EUINS. Up to the front of the building.
Mr. SPECTER. The Texas School Book Depository Building?
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/euins.htm





Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/harkness.htm

Mr. HARKNESS - I had this witness with me. I didn't want to lose this witness.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. HARKNESS - So I took him to the car.
Mr. BELIN - To Inspector Sawyer's car?
Mr. HARKNESS - To Inspector Sawyer's car, which was right in front.
Mr. BELIN - Which was parked in front of the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. HARKNESS - And left the witness there and went around to the back.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/harkness.htm



Mr. BELIN. I have here a Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A, which appears to be a transcript of a police radio log, and I notice that at 12:35 p.m., there is a call from 142 to 531. 531 is your station headquarters?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you want to read what you said?
Mr. HAYGOOD. "I talked to a guy at the scene who says the shots were fired from the Texas School Book Depository Building with the Hertz Rent A Car sign on top."
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

Mr. BELIN. Officer Haygood, I will continue your deposition with one more question, if you would, and you are still under oath.
You mentioned in your sworn deposition that you talked to about two people that you saw, and you pointed it out in your transmission at 12:35 p.m., under your Call No. 142.
Is that correct?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Right.
Mr. BELIN. I notice on there another transmission at 12:37 p.m. Could you read what the transcript has there.
Mr. HAYGOOD. Well, this part of the deposition I covered it a while ago but I gave you, is when I called to have the Texas School Book Depository covered there. That is one of the witnesses I had that believed the shot came from that location.
Mr. BELIN. Could you read what you said there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. It says, "Get men to cover the building, Texas School Book Depository, believe the shots came from there, facing it on Elm Street looking at the building it will be the second window from the end in the upper right hand corner."
Mr. BELIN. Did you say that?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Then the transmission made to you, 531 to 142 calling, "How many do you have there?" And you made a response which is?
Mr. HAYGOOD. "One guy possibly hit by a ricochet off the concrete and another seen the President slump."
Mr. BELIN. Were there two more people in addition to the one that you saw?
Mr. HAYGOOD. They are still the same people I was referring to back on the transmission that I made.
Mr. BELIN. How many different people did you talk to? One that was possibly hit by a ricochet?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Piece of concrete.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

Mr. TAGUE. Right. Going on Elm. So I stood there looking around. I looked up---there was a motorcycle policeman, and he stopped and had drawn his gun and was running up the embankment toward the railroad tracks. A crowd of people; several people, were starting to come down into that area where he was running, and the people pointing, and excitement up there and so on, and about that time a patrolman who evidently had been stationed under the triple underpass walked up and said, "What happened?" and I said, "I don't know; something."
And we walked up to the---by this time the motorcycle policeman returned back close to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited--I don't remember his name at the time I did have it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened. And the patrolman said, "Well, I saw something fly off back on the street."
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/tague.htm

Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/walther1.htm



Mr. BELIN - And what about between the second and third?
Mr. CRAIG - Not more than 2 seconds. It was--they were real rapid.
Mr. BELIN - All right. then what did you do?
Mr. CRAIG - I continued running across Houston Street, across the parkway, across Elm Street and, by this time, the motorcade had went on down Elm Street and I ran up to the railroad yard and--uh---started to look around when the people began to all travel over that way. So, I began moving people back out of the railroad yard.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/craig.htm



JohnM

[Royell Storing]

There seem to be some confusion about this matter and admittedly at first I relied on some time estimates which probably weren't right. But anyway this post outlines some of the main players. Feel free to add any relevant testimony and/or photos and GIFs which can help solve Royell's latest conspiracy.

Mr. EUINS. I was here at "B."
(At this point, Representative Ford entered the hearing room.)
(Witness marking.)
Mr. EUINS. I was coming down like this here, and there was a policeman, you know there is a little cut you can come through there. There was a policeman standing right around here.
Mr. SPECTER. Where was the policeman standing? Mark that with point "C," Amos.
Mr. EUINS. Right there.
(Witness marking.)
Mr. SPECTER. You ran past the policeman standing at point C?
Mr. EUINS. No, sir. You see, I come from point B, and ran here, and told the policeman I had seen the shot, because they were looking at the railroad tracks. So he put me on the cycle and he went to here.
Mr. SPECTER. He put you on the cycle and took you where?
Mr. EUINS. Up to the front of the building.
Mr. SPECTER. The Texas School Book Depository Building?
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/euins.htm





Mr. BELIN - Well, I notice here that there is a call with a notation at 12:36 p.m., 260 to 531. 531 is your office in the main station?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
Mr. BELIN - What does it say there on that transcript?
Mr. HARKNESS - "Witness says shots came from fifth floor, Texas Book Depository store at Houston and Elm. I have him with me now and we are sealing off the building."
Mr. BELIN - All right, that was at 12:36 p.m.?
Mr. HARKNESS - Yes, sir.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/harkness.htm

Mr. HARKNESS - I had this witness with me. I didn't want to lose this witness.
Mr. BELIN - All right.
Mr. HARKNESS - So I took him to the car.
Mr. BELIN - To Inspector Sawyer's car?
Mr. HARKNESS - To Inspector Sawyer's car, which was right in front.
Mr. BELIN - Which was parked in front of the Texas School Book Depository?
Mr. HARKNESS - And left the witness there and went around to the back.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/harkness.htm



Mr. BELIN. I have here a Sawyer Deposition Exhibit A, which appears to be a transcript of a police radio log, and I notice that at 12:35 p.m., there is a call from 142 to 531. 531 is your station headquarters?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Right.
Mr. BELIN. Do you want to read what you said?
Mr. HAYGOOD. "I talked to a guy at the scene who says the shots were fired from the Texas School Book Depository Building with the Hertz Rent A Car sign on top."
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

Mr. BELIN. Officer Haygood, I will continue your deposition with one more question, if you would, and you are still under oath.
You mentioned in your sworn deposition that you talked to about two people that you saw, and you pointed it out in your transmission at 12:35 p.m., under your Call No. 142.
Is that correct?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Right.
Mr. BELIN. I notice on there another transmission at 12:37 p.m. Could you read what the transcript has there.
Mr. HAYGOOD. Well, this part of the deposition I covered it a while ago but I gave you, is when I called to have the Texas School Book Depository covered there. That is one of the witnesses I had that believed the shot came from that location.
Mr. BELIN. Could you read what you said there?
Mr. HAYGOOD. It says, "Get men to cover the building, Texas School Book Depository, believe the shots came from there, facing it on Elm Street looking at the building it will be the second window from the end in the upper right hand corner."
Mr. BELIN. Did you say that?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Yes.
Mr. BELIN. Then the transmission made to you, 531 to 142 calling, "How many do you have there?" And you made a response which is?
Mr. HAYGOOD. "One guy possibly hit by a ricochet off the concrete and another seen the President slump."
Mr. BELIN. Were there two more people in addition to the one that you saw?
Mr. HAYGOOD. They are still the same people I was referring to back on the transmission that I made.
Mr. BELIN. How many different people did you talk to? One that was possibly hit by a ricochet?
Mr. HAYGOOD. Piece of concrete.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/haygood.htm

Mr. TAGUE. Right. Going on Elm. So I stood there looking around. I looked up---there was a motorcycle policeman, and he stopped and had drawn his gun and was running up the embankment toward the railroad tracks. A crowd of people; several people, were starting to come down into that area where he was running, and the people pointing, and excitement up there and so on, and about that time a patrolman who evidently had been stationed under the triple underpass walked up and said, "What happened?" and I said, "I don't know; something."
And we walked up to the---by this time the motorcycle policeman returned back close to where his motorcycle was, and we walked up there and there was a man standing there. Seeing that he was very excited--I don't remember his name at the time I did have it on the tip of my tongue very excited saying he was watching the President and it seemed like his head just exploded. This was a couple or 3 minutes after this happened. And the patrolman said, "Well, I saw something fly off back on the street."
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/tague.htm

Mr. WALTHERS. And at that time I heard the shots as well as everybody else, but as we got over this fence, and a lot of officers and people were just rummaging through the train yards back in this parking area.
Mr. LIEBELER. In the parking area down there? West of the Texas School Book Depository Building between the Texas School Book Depository and the railroad tracks?
Mr. WALTHERS. Yes; and the discussion came up among several of the officers, "Were there any shots fired?" And I said, "Well, they sounded like rifle shots to me." At the time no one knew---in our crowd they were sure the shots had been fired though because of the reports---we heard the noise, and I left then and went back up here and came back onto the street.
Mr. LIEBELER. Up on Elm Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. And went over on this grassy area right in here [indicating].
Mr. LIEBELER. Between Elm Street and Main Street?
Mr. WALTHERS. Between Elm and Main and starting to looking at the grass to see if some shots had been fired and some of them might have chugged into this turf here and it would give an indication if some had really been, if they were really shots and not just blanks or something, and a man, and I couldn't tell you his name if my life depended on it---he had a car parked right here in Main Street---in the Main Street lane headed east, just under this underpass.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/walther1.htm



Mr. BELIN - And what about between the second and third?
Mr. CRAIG - Not more than 2 seconds. It was--they were real rapid.
Mr. BELIN - All right. then what did you do?
Mr. CRAIG - I continued running across Houston Street, across the parkway, across Elm Street and, by this time, the motorcade had went on down Elm Street and I ran up to the railroad yard and--uh---started to look around when the people began to all travel over that way. So, I began moving people back out of the railroad yard.
https://www.jfk-assassination.net/russ/testimony/craig.htm



JohnM

   JOHN - Thanks for doing/posting ALL of the research that TODD & SHANKS simply refuse to do.
              With respect to the Amos Euins position when he 1st encountered Officer Harkness, the Euins WC Testimony and map markings make it clear where this happened. Also, if you view the Martin Film segment showing Euins on the back of the Harkness 3 Wheeler, they are LEANING (L) as they 1st appear on the film going down the Elm St Ext. This leaning (L) would be indicative of their turning LEFTWARD onto the Elm Ext. THIS verifies the Euins testimony of where he 1st encountered Harkness.
               Harkness also testified what his actions were immediately following the kill shot. I believe some of the confusion with respect to the Harkness timeline is because of those that FAIL to do the research. They are NOT Aware that Harkness did NOT Immediately roll down the Elm St Ext. Their not knowing this, then impacts the cavalier timeline that they slap on Harkness. The Harkness 12:36 radio transmission and his WC Testimony firmly establish his timeline. This New Baloney of Harkness NOT Loading Euins into Inspector Sawyer's car until roughly 1:00 shows their laziness.
             Some people will just Not do the research, but they still plow ahead with their incorrect postings in order to justify their also incorrect claims. Your post above helps set the record straight. Thanks again.