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Offline Bill Binnie

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #72 on: September 09, 2025, 07:48:08 PM »
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There are multiple witnesses who saw one or two people on the sixth floor proceeding the assassination - through a partially open window with a shooter knelling only one witness says it was someone like oswald - arent any of the other witnesses worthy of consideration? Why Oswald not up there at 12.10? How would he know the motorcade was running at least 15 minutes late-

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #73 on: September 09, 2025, 07:49:03 PM »
Norman heard the shells hitting the floor above him. Neither of the other two heard them.  Metal objects hitting the floor would make more noise than someone walking on that floor. Also, immediately after the shooting, the noise on the outside would have ramped up.

   You ever worked with/around plywood? You're claiming a person can hear a hull hitting that floor vs Not hear 150 lb man moving across it? Please stick with the Evidence. That's your strong suit.

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #74 on: September 09, 2025, 07:49:46 PM »
   "I Know"? You are respected for sticking to the evidence. What happened? There is No Evidence putting Oswald inside the sniper's nest at 12:30. There's also No Evidence of Oswald being on the stairs immediately following the Kill Shot.

The shells found in the sniper's nest had been fired in Oswald's Carcano. That rifle was found on the sixth floor. Oswald's prints were found on boxes in the sniper's nest. His prints were on the long paper sack found in the sniper's nest. Fibers in that sack were matched to some of the fibers that he kept his rifle wrapped in. Oswald had no alibi for the time of the shooting. The last place that he was seen by anyone prior to the shooting was on the sixth floor. That taken together puts Oswald in the sniper's nest at 12:30 and on the stairs within 30 seconds after the shooting.

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #75 on: September 09, 2025, 07:52:10 PM »
Really? So, Oswald hears these guys only feet below him, yet he then goes ahead and fires the rifle 3 times? And tiptoe's outta the sniper's nest? P

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #76 on: September 09, 2025, 07:54:44 PM »
   You ever worked with/around plywood? You're claiming a person can hear a hull hitting that floor vs Not hear 150 lb man moving across it? Please stick with the Evidence. That's your strong suit.

I have worked with and around plywood. A person can hear a hull hitting that floor vs Not hear 139 lb man moving across it. You're not thinking straight on this at all. Someone fired 3 shots from the sniper's nest at 12:30. That person then exited the sniper's nest and the sixth floor. That he wasn't heard exiting does not negate the fact that he did.

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #77 on: September 09, 2025, 10:11:35 PM »
The shells found in the sniper's nest had been fired in Oswald's Carcano. That rifle was found on the sixth floor. Oswald's prints were found on boxes in the sniper's nest. His prints were on the long paper sack found in the sniper's nest. Fibers in that sack were matched to some of the fibers that he kept his rifle wrapped in. Oswald had no alibi for the time of the shooting. The last place that he was seen by anyone prior to the shooting was on the sixth floor. That taken together puts Oswald in the sniper's nest at 12:30 and on the stairs within 30 seconds after the shooting.

   You have returned to the Evidence and abandoned these 3 guys hearing hulls hitting the ceiling/floor above them, yet they do Not hear the shooter vacating the sniper's nest. Very good. Those same 3 guys underneath the shooter are also eyewitnesses that refute the Max Holland 11+ seconds elapsed firing time. Anybody that has adopted Holland's 11+ seconds elapsed firing time needs to avoid these 3 eyewitnesses. For the 3 of them to just sit there for 11+ seconds with everything going down within mere feet of them is just not plausible, nor did they testify as to this extended firing time for the 3 shots. And remember that Holland claims the 1st shot was fired from a standing position. This would require the shooter to move around inside the sniper's nest in order to sit down and reacquire the moving target. All of this would generate even more noise within feet of these 3 eyewitnesses. 

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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #78 on: September 09, 2025, 10:22:37 PM »
Well, I wasn't sure about the Dillard photo. I was thinking that you had the Powell pic in mind.

I'm glad I could introduce you to such an important piece of evidence but your response to this new evidence is really unimpressive. You've barely given it any thought at all and your knee-jerk reaction speaks of someone whose mind is already made up regardless of any new evidence, no matter how significant that evidence is.

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The Dillard photo was likely taken within 20 seconds of the shooting. You are assuming that the girls would have remained right at the window after the shooting. Where is Elsie Dorman in that photo. Did she leave the fourth floor right away as well? Who is that in the window on the left? Keep in mind that Dorman filmed the motorcade through that half-open window.

The Dillard photo was likely taken within 20 seconds of the shooting.

It was more like the 11 seconds Tyler has it in his animation.
This ties in with Dillard's account of taking the picture around 3 seconds after Bob Jackson told him there was a rifle in the window.
The fact all four women have moved away from this window indicates they moved away even more quickly than 11 seconds after the shooting.
This ties in with Adams' recollection that she decided to race downstairs before the limo had even reached the triple underpass.

You are assuming that the girls would have remained right at the window after the shooting.

I don't need to assume anything.
Adams tells us what happened - within seconds of the shooting both she and Styles were racing towards the back stairs.
The Dillard pic confirms this.
The only thing I'm assuming is that the Dillard pic upsets your narrative concerning Adams which is why you are trying so desperately to bury such an important piece of evidence. Your piss-weak attempt to explain away the Stroud document also reveals a biased attitude towards the evidence.

Where is Elsie Dorman in that photo.

I don't know, Tim.
Where is she?
Is she the woman we can see looking out of the window?
This would make sense as there were four women in that area seconds earlier and we know from their various statements and testimonies that three of them left the office.
Maybe that's the explanation, Tim.
What do you think?


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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
« Reply #79 on: September 09, 2025, 10:49:31 PM »
   You have returned to the Evidence and abandoned these 3 guys hearing hulls hitting the ceiling/floor above them, yet they do Not hear the shooter vacating the sniper's nest. Very good. Those same 3 guys underneath the shooter are also eyewitnesses that refute the Max Holland 11+ seconds elapsed firing time. Anybody that has adopted Holland's 11+ seconds elapsed firing time needs to avoid these 3 eyewitnesses. For the 3 of them to just sit there for 11+ seconds with everything going down within mere feet of them is just not plausible, nor did they testify as to this extended firing time for the 3 shots. And remember that Holland claims the 1st shot was fired from a standing position. This would require the shooter to move around inside the sniper's nest in order to sit down and reacquire the moving target. All of this would generate even more noise within feet of these 3 eyewitnesses.

All 3 guys didn't hear the shells hitting the floor above. Only Norman did.


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Re: There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
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