There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.

[Tom Graves]

Adams was not a good witness. Nor was she an impeccable character. If one believes Barry Ernest, she was a flawed character. She denied that she said in her WC deposition that she encountered Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelley on the first floor. She said that the transcript of her deposition had been altered by adding the encounter to it. The encounter was twice mentioned by her in her deposition. She claimed that Det. Leavelle lied in his report on his interview of her. She denied telling him that she saw Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor. She also said that he showed up at her private residence at night unannounced and lied to her about there being a fire at the station that destroyed her earlier statements.

Sandra Styles was adamant that they had stayed at the window on the fourth floor for no less than a minute after the shooting. In her interview with Sean Murphy, she was holding back on Adams. She was being kind.

Lovelady and Shelley made a trek westward to the railway tracks after the shooting, They never entered the building until several minutes after the shooting.

If Vicki Adams lied at some point, did she do so 1) hoping to get us to believe Oswald killed JFK, 2) to get us to believe he was just a "patsy," or 3) for some other reason?

If she was telling the truth that she had seen Lovelady and/or Shelley on the first floor after she and Styles had come down to it almost immediately after the final shot (i.e., too soon for Lovelady and Shelley to have already returned to the TSBD after their little jaunt down to the railway yard / parking lot), what are the implications, if any, regarding when Truly and Baker started going up the stairs, when Oswald slipped into the second-floor lunchroom, and whether or not that's Lovelady and/or Shelly walking/running towards the railway yard / parking lot in Couch-Darnell, etc?

Conversely, what are the implications regarding the above if she never said that in her deposition, but someone put it in there?

[Tim Nickerson]

If Vicki Adams lied at some point, did she do so 1) hoping to get us to believe Oswald killed JFK, 2) to get us to believe he was just a "patsy," or 3) for some other reason?

If she was telling the truth that she had seen Lovelady and/or Shelley on the first floor after she and Styles had come down to it almost immediately after the final shot (i.e., too soon for Lovelady and Shelley to have already returned to the TSBD after their little jaunt down to the railway yard / parking lot), what are the implications regarding when Truly and Baker started going up the stairs, when Oswald slipped into the second-floor lunchroom, and whether or not that's Lovelady and/or Shelly walking/running towards the railway yard / parking lot in Couch-Darnell, etc?

Regarding your first question, you're asking me to speculate. I'm not interested in doing so. Your second question doesn't make sense.

[Tom Graves]

Regarding your first question, you're asking me to speculate. I'm not interested in doing so. Your second question doesn't make sense.

1) Does Adams' WC testimony regarding her seeing Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor support a CT interpretation of the JFKA, or does it support a LN interpretation of the JFKA?

2) How does my second question not make sense?

Note: I just now added "if any."

[Tim Nickerson]

1) Does Adams' WC testimony regarding her seeing Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor support a CT interpretation of the JFKA, or does it support a LN interpretation of the JFKA?

2) How does my second question not make sense?

Note: I just now added "if any."

Adams seeing Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor does not support a CT interpretation. That encounter has no implications regarding when Truly and Baker started going up the stairs or when Oswald slipped into the second-floor lunchroom.

[Tom Graves]

That encounter has no implications regarding when Truly and Baker started going up the stairs or when Oswald slipped into the second-floor lunchroom.

It does, though, if Adams' and Syles' not running into Truly and Baker on the stairs was due either to 1) "fireball" Adams' and Styles' reaching the first floor before Truly and Baker started going up them, or 2) Truly's and Baker's (and Oswald's) being out of sight in the second-floor lunchroom's "vestibule" while previously "lollygagging" Adams and Styles were quickly traversing from one stairwell to the other in the nearby second-floor corner.

[Dan O'meara]

The Dillard Pic only shows the Southeast windows of the fifth and sixth floors.

I have to say, Tim, I'm really quite surprised that you are unaware of Tom Dillard's pic:



Clearly, what you are referring to is a different close crop of this picture.
I wonder what picture you thought I was posting.

Below is a plan of the fourth floor of the TSBD building. Adams worked in the office of Scott Foresman Co., where she watched the motorcade pass with Sandra Styles, Dorothy Garner and Elsie Dorman. The red box indicates the 5 double sets of windows for that office. The red "A" indicates Adams' location as the Presidential limo passed by. Her colleagues crowded around that double set of windows with Elsie Dorman filming the approaching limo.



Below is a closer crop of this picture. The red box indicates the same windows. Adams was stood at the open window marked with a red "A".



When we take a closer look at the window we notice that there is no-one stood where there should be four women watching the motorcade. We can see the figure of one woman standing in the window to the left of that. As we know, Adams, Styles and Garner left office after the shooting. It appears they have left by the time this pic was taken.



The question is - how long after the assassination was this photo taken?
This is what Dillard has to say about the picture (quotes taken from Pat Speer's website):

"Bob Jackson, a photographer in my car, said, There's the rifle in that open window. In the three or four seconds it took me to locate the particular open window and make a picture, the rifle had been withdrawn."
"Bob Jackson said, “There’s a guy with a rifle up in that window.” I said, “Where?” I had both cameras around my neck, loaded, focused, cocked…Bob says, “In that window up on that building right there, it’s that top window.” I shot a picture with the wide-angle camera. I said, “Which window?” He said, “It’s the one on the right, second from the top.” By that time, I had the 100mm camera up, shot a picture of that window…."


Clearly this is literally a few seconds after the shooting has occurred as he just missed the rifle being drawn back into the window. On Mark Tyler's Motorcade Mapping website the Dillard pic is taken 11 seconds after the headshot. This ties in with Adams' claim that she decided to race downstairs before the limo had even reached the underpass. The Dillard picture is incredibly strong evidence that Adams took off running about 10 seconds after the last shot.
Hopefully, now you are aware of your mistake regarding the Dillard pic, you will concede that this pic is, indeed, strong evidence confirming Adams' version of events.

Dorothy Garner saw Baker and Truly on the fourth floor and assumed that they had just come up, when they were actually on their way done. That's my best guess.

This is so lame it should be put down.
You are wrong about the Dillard pic and you are wrong about the Stroud document. You clearly have your own agenda and are willing to post any old nonsense rather than examine the evidence.

What do you think about the Dillard pic evidence now you understand what's happening and how does this affect your lame interpretation of the Stroud document?

[Tim Nickerson]

I have to say, Tim, I'm really quite surprised that you are unaware of Tom Dillard's pic:



Clearly, what you are referring to is a different close crop of this picture.
I wonder what picture you thought I was posting.

Below is a plan of the fourth floor of the TSBD building. Adams worked in the office of Scott Foresman Co., where she watched the motorcade pass with Sandra Styles, Dorothy Garner and Elsie Dorman. The red box indicates the 5 double sets of windows for that office. The red "A" indicates Adams' location as the Presidential limo passed by. Her colleagues crowded around that double set of windows with Elsie Dorman filming the approaching limo.



Below is a closer crop of this picture. The red box indicates the same windows. Adams was stood at the open window marked with a red "A".



When we take a closer look at the window we notice that there is no-one stood where there should be four women watching the motorcade. We can see the figure of one woman standing in the window to the left of that. As we know, Adams, Styles and Garner left office after the shooting. It appears they have left by the time this pic was taken.



The question is - how long after the assassination was this photo taken?
This is what Dillard has to say about the picture (quotes taken from Pat Speer's website):

"Bob Jackson, a photographer in my car, said, There's the rifle in that open window. In the three or four seconds it took me to locate the particular open window and make a picture, the rifle had been withdrawn."
"Bob Jackson said, “There’s a guy with a rifle up in that window.” I said, “Where?” I had both cameras around my neck, loaded, focused, cocked…Bob says, “In that window up on that building right there, it’s that top window.” I shot a picture with the wide-angle camera. I said, “Which window?” He said, “It’s the one on the right, second from the top.” By that time, I had the 100mm camera up, shot a picture of that window…."


Clearly this is literally a few seconds after the shooting has occurred as he just missed the rifle being drawn back into the window. On Mark Tyler's Motorcade Mapping website the Dillard pic is taken 11 seconds after the headshot. This ties in with Adams' claim that she decided to race downstairs before the limo had even reached the underpass. The Dillard picture is incredibly strong evidence that Adams took off running about 10 seconds after the last shot.
Hopefully, now you are aware of your mistake regarding the Dillard pic, you will concede that this pic is, indeed, strong evidence confirming Adams' version of events.

This is so lame it should be put down.
You are wrong about the Dillard pic and you are wrong about the Stroud document. You clearly have your own agenda and are willing to post any old nonsense rather than examine the evidence.

What do you think about the Dillard pic evidence now you understand what's happening and how does this affect your lame interpretation of the Stroud document?

Well, I wasn't sure about the Dillard photo. I was thinking that you had the Powell pic in mind.

 https://www.jfkassassinationgallery.com/Gallery/Powell%20Gallery

The Dillard photo was likely taken within 20 seconds of the shooting. You are assuming that the girls would have remained right at the window after the shooting. Where is Elsie Dorman in that photo. Did she leave the fourth floor right away as well? Who is that in the window on the left? Keep in mind that Dorman filmed the motorcade through that half-open window.

[Paul Davies]

Is there someone in the next window along?