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There seems to be a problem with Officer Baker's testimony.
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Dan O'meara on September 09, 2025, 10:22:37 PM ---I'm glad I could introduce you to such an important piece of evidence but your response to this new evidence is really unimpressive. You've barely given it any thought at all and your knee-jerk reaction speaks of someone whose mind is already made up regardless of any new evidence, no matter how significant that evidence is.
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My mind is made up based on the evidence. The observation that you have made with the Dillard photo is not significant evidence.
--- Quote ---The Dillard photo was likely taken within 20 seconds of the shooting.
It was more like the 11 seconds Tyler has it in his animation.
This ties in with Dillard's account of taking the picture around 3 seconds after Bob Jackson told him there was a rifle in the window.
The fact all four women have moved away from this window indicates they moved away even more quickly than 11 seconds after the shooting.
This ties in with Adams' recollection that she decided to race downstairs before the limo had even reached the triple underpass.
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Whether it was 11 seconds or 20 seconds is of little importance. It is does not tell us where each of the four women were when the photo was taken. Maybe that's Adams seen in the image. We don't know. Her recollection that she raced downstairs before the limo had even reached the triple underpass is contradicted by Sandra Styles and by her encounter with Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor.
--- Quote ---You are assuming that the girls would have remained right at the window after the shooting.
I don't need to assume anything.
Adams tells us what happened - within seconds of the shooting both she and Styles were racing towards the back stairs.
The Dillard pic confirms this.
The only thing I'm assuming is that the Dillard pic upsets your narrative concerning Adams which is why you are trying so desperately to bury such an important piece of evidence. Your piss-weak attempt to explain away the Stroud document also reveals a biased attitude towards the evidence.
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You are assuming that the girls would have remained right at the window after the shooting.
Adams was wrong.
The Dillard pic does not confirm that she and Styles were racing towards the back stairs. All that the Dillard pic confirms in that none of the four women were at the open window at that time.
--- Quote ---Where is Elsie Dorman in that photo.
I don't know, Tim.
Where is she?
Is she the woman we can see looking out of the window?
This would make sense as there were four women in that area seconds earlier and we know from their various statements and testimonies that three of them left the office.
Maybe that's the explanation, Tim.
What do you think?
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We know from the statement of Sandra Styles that they remained in the office on the fourth floor for no less than a minute after the shooting.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on September 09, 2025, 10:49:31 PM ---All 3 guys didn't hear the shells hitting the floor above. Only Norman did.
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Tim - Thanks for the Norman fact. Which 1 of the 3 had the falling dust in his hair?
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on September 09, 2025, 11:52:39 PM --- Tim - Thanks for the Norman fact.
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You're welcome.
--- Quote ---Which 1 of the 3 had the falling dust in his hair?
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Bonnie Ray Williams.
Dan O'meara:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on September 09, 2025, 10:54:20 PM ---My mind is made up based on the evidence. The observation that you have made with the Dillard photo is not significant evidence.
Whether it was 11 seconds or 20 seconds is of little importance. It is does not tell us where each of the four women were when the photo was taken. Maybe that's Adams seen in the image. We don't know. Her recollection that she raced downstairs before the limo had even reached the triple underpass is contradicted by Sandra Styles and by her encounter with Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor.
You are assuming that the girls would have remained right at the window after the shooting.
Adams was wrong.
The Dillard pic does not confirm that she and Styles were racing towards the back stairs. All that the Dillard pic confirms in that none of the four women were at the open window at that time.
We know from the statement of Sandra Styles that they remained in the office on the fourth floor for no less than a minute after the shooting.
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My mind is made up based on the evidence.
No, it's not.
You have interpreted this evidence based on your preconceived notions.
It's the worst possible approach to evidence.
Her recollection that she raced downstairs before the limo had even reached the triple underpass is contradicted by Sandra Styles and by her encounter with Lovelady and Shelley on the first floor.
The Dillard picture confirms Adams' assertion that she decided to race downstairs to find out what was going on before the limo had even reached the underpass. By the time Dillard took the picture Adams and Styles were already on their way with Garner following them into the back storage room.
That is the importance of the Dillard pic.
All of this is further confirmed by Dorothy Garner's recollection that Adams and Styles went down the stairs before Truly and Baker came up them, as recorded in the Stroud document. Another piece of evidence you treat with utter contempt. The only way it is possible for Adams and Styles to go down the stairs before Truly and Baker come up them, without either party being aware of the other, is for Adams and Styles to race away from the windows within seconds of the shooting.
Adams' recollection, the Dillard picture and the Stroud document support each other.
It has been demonstrated, beyond any reasonable doubt, that Shelley and Lovelady lied about their movements after the assassination. Adams saw them on the first floor, near the elevators, approximately one minute after the shooting. What were they doing there and why did they lie about their movements?
This is from Sandra Styles' email to Murphy:
"At the time, I first thought we went downstairs
quickly; but in thinking about it further, I came to the conclusion
that it was not immediately. I told an interviewer (FBI? not sure)
that when we got downstairs, the police were there so I assumed we
went down quickly; however, the interviewer told me that it took the
police 15-20 minutes to get to the Depository, so I accepted that we
must have taken longer to get downstairs than I first thought."
Hmmmm....she thought they went down quickly at first because she saw the police on the first floor but was told the police didn't arrive in the building for around 15 minutes so she figured it must have taken longer than she first thought ???
Unless, of course, the police she saw was Baker.
I think we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one, Tim.
Bill Binnie:
if someone was sprinting accross 2x6 floor boards that were decades old, right over the three mens heads, it is certain they would have heard somthing -
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