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Team Headed by Former CIA Officer Concludes JFK Was Killed by a Conspiracy
Jon Banks:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 04, 2025, 05:25:20 PM ---The Harlandale Ave. house in Dallas was definitely used by Alpha 66.
Yes, they failed to address the evidence that Oswald was being impersonated in Mexico City. I'm not sure they were even aware of it, although they should have been if they read the HSCA's Lopez-Hardway report.
Regarding Castro's involvement/foreknowledge, if the Cuban intel defector whom they interviewed was telling the truth, his account indicates that Cuban intelligence had some knowledge of the plot, and it's hard to imagine that they would have kept this from Castro.
I know the series has a lot of deficiencies, but it shows that even intelligent people who began their research assuming that Oswald was the only shooter, and who continue to think Oswald was the only shooter, don't buy the arguments that WC apologists make against Oswald's intelligence ties, Silvia Odio's account, Oswald's ties with anti-Castro Cubans, and Adrian Alba's account.
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Agreed.
Objectively, one can't view all the conflicting evidence and witness accounts then conclude that there are no holes in the Warren Commission's narrative of the JFK assassination.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 27, 2025, 03:09:48 PM ---In 2017, the History Channel aired a seven-part documentary titled JFK Declassified: Tracking Oswald produced by former CIA case officer Robert Baer. Baer and his team conducted an extensive investigation into the JFK assassination. Baer's team included a former LAPD detective (Adam Bercovici), a former FBI profiler (Steve Gomez), and a former Special Forces Army Ranger (Marty Skovlund). Baer and his team got many things wrong, but they also got many things right. WC apologists don't like Baer's documentary because it acknowledges too many facts that they reject and reaches too many conclusions that they reject, such as the following:
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Robert Baer, the CIA-hating former CIA officer who strongly suggests in his 2022 book, The Fourth Man, that prickly CIA mole-hunter Paul Redmond was himself a KGB "mole"?
That Robert Baer?
LOL!
Vladimir Putin is jumping for joy!
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 04, 2025, 08:17:16 PM ---Robert Baer, the CIA-hating former CIA officer who strongly suggests in his 2022 book, The Fourth Man, that prickly CIA mole-hunter Paul Redmond was himself a KGB "mole"?
That Robert Baer?
LOL!
Vladimir Putin is jumping for joy!
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I'll have to admit, I've never heard of Baer (did he play Jethro on the Beverly Hillbillies?) or Tracking Oswald. (Jesus, do I live under a rock? Do I know anything about ANYTHING?) However, I see that he and it were the subject of rather scathing criticism from within the CT community itself. I think if I were Niedernut over at the Ed Forum, I might strongly suspect Baer of being one of them there cognitive infiltrators with which the CIA floods the world. (Well, no, if I actually were Niedernut I'd be screaming "I need help!" and checking myself into a facility, but you get the point.)
In all of these discussions where Oswald is posited as The Most Interesting Man in the World, I always wonder: (1) how come all the people who knew him best - wife, family, friends, coworkers - had absolutely no inkling that he was anything other than a mixed-up goofball? (2) where did he find the time for all these extracurricular activities; and (3) since his finances were such that they kept baby June in a cardboard box and pretty much lived like impoverished Third World villagers, did he do all this stuff pro bono - and if so, why?
Perhaps I'm just not capable of thinking far enough outside the box, but none of this Most Interesting Man in the World stuff ever makes sense to me.
Jon Banks:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on September 04, 2025, 08:59:54 PM ---I'll have to admit, I've never heard of Baer (did he play Jethro on the Beverly Hillbillies?) or Tracking Oswald. (Jesus, do I live under a rock? Do I know anything about ANYTHING?) However, I see that he and it were the subject of rather scathing criticism from within the CT community itself. I think if I were Niedernut over at the Ed Forum, I might strongly suspect Baer of being one of them there cognitive infiltrators with which the CIA floods the world. (Well, no, if I actually were Niedernut I'd be screaming "I need help!" and checking myself into a facility, but you get the point.)
In all of these discussions where Oswald is posited as The Most Interesting Man in the World, I always wonder: (1) how come all the people who knew him best - wife, family, friends, coworkers - had absolutely no inkling that he was anything other than a mixed-up goofball? (2) where did he find the time for all these extracurricular activities; and (3) since his finances were such that they kept baby June in a cardboard box and pretty much lived like impoverished Third World villagers, did he do all this stuff pro bono - and if so, why?
Perhaps I'm just not capable of thinking far enough outside the box, but none of this Most Interesting Man in the World stuff ever makes sense to me.
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A high school dropout who taught himself Russian (allegedly), worked at the U2 plane base in Japan, traveled through Europe to the Soviet Union, came home with a Russian wife, befriended George DeMorenschildt (elite socialite and friend of Jackie Kennedy and George Bush), and traveled to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City two months before 11/22/63, isn't interesting to you?
How exciting is your life then? As you noted, he was poor for most of his life. Which makes his accomplishments and travel before the age of 25 all the more impressive.
Bob Baer, like several retired CIA officers who have weighed in on the Kennedy assassination believes Fidel Castro, or Cuban agents loyal to Castro, were involved in the JFK assassination. I'm familiar with the "Castro did it" theories.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Jon Banks on September 05, 2025, 12:17:41 AM ---A high school dropout who taught himself Russian (allegedly), worked at the U2 plane base in Japan, traveled through Europe to the Soviet Union, came home with a Russian wife, befriended George DeMorenschildt (elite socialite and friend of Jackie Kennedy and George Bush), traveled to the Soviet embassy in Mexico City two months before 11/22/63, isn't interesting to you?
How exciting is your life then? As you noted, he was poor for most of his life. Which makes his accomplishments and travel before the age of 25 all the more impressive.
Bob Baer, like several retired CIA officers who have weighed in on the Kennedy assassination believes Fidel Castro, or Cuban agents loyal to Castro, were involved in the JFK assassination. I'm familiar with the "Castro did it" theories.
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As related in Richard Russell's book, The Man Who Knew Too Much, DeMohrenschildt was determined by a CIA Counterintelligence analyst by the name of Clare Edward Petty -- by reading some WW II VENONA decrypts in the early 1970s -- to very probably be a long-term KGB "illegal."
Specifically, the "illegal" mentioned (but not named) in the decrypts:
1) Was a real wheeler-dealer who had
2) been born in or near Poland, had
3) emigrated to the U.S. before the war, and who had
4) lived in Mexico during the war.
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