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Lance Payette:

--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 04, 2025, 12:30:20 AM ---Dear Lance,

I'm afraid you don't understand.

A witting participant in what?

Former CIA officer Tennent H. Bagley (A Lonenutter with a PhD in Political Science) -- who was on the fast track to become Director of CIA until a false or rogue physical defector to the U.S. by the name of Major I mean Lt. Col. I mean Captain Yuri Nosenko reappeared in Geneva in late January 1964 and told him he'd been Oswald's case officer in Moscow (how lucky for J. Edgar Hoover!), and that he therefore knew for a fact that the KGB had absolutely nothing to do with "abnormal-looking" Oswald -- read some CIA documents he hadn't been privy to in 1959-60, and told JFKA CT Malcolm Blunt that Oswald had to be a "witting defector," which got the JFKA CT Community all excited because they didn't realize that the CIA officer who recruited him (Oswald) was a KGB "mole," himself. Bummer dude.

Point being, if "Pete" Bagley realized that Oswald was a "witting" CIA agent, perhaps you should take his word for it, but carry it a step further by reading my Wikipedia-like article (Wikipedia proper wouldn't publish it "because not enough recognized authors have written about him") on the aforementioned probable "mole," Bruce Leonard Solie.

Or have you already done that?

If you have, well, bless your little pea-pickin' heart, now go and read my real-deal Wikipedia article on Tennent H. Bagley.

-- Tom

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Oh, I think I do understand.

I reject Oswald as a witting participant in anything CIA-related. False defectors do not do stupid things likely to get them sent to Siberia, as Oswald did. More to the point, this would have been utterly inconsistent with Oswald's entire life up to the time of the defection. Even more to the point, the CIA folks would have had to have been the Three Stooges to rely on Oswald. (Curly, Larry and Moe do pop a lot in these discussions where Oswald is reinvented as The Most Interesting Man in the World, don't they?)

I am well aware of what 83-year-old Bagley speculatively told Malcolm Blunt in 2008. I reject it because IMO it's just silly. I likewise reject what older-than-dirt Paul Landis and Buell Frazier had to say in their dotage because IMO it's just silly. Blunt and Newman specialize in overwhelming people with documents, acronyms and minutiae, and I can just imagine how the conversation with poor old Bagley went. Apparently, he exclaimed "He was witting!" as though the thought had never occurred to him before.

All I know about moles is that you don’t want them digging in your lawn, but I suppose I can imagine some mole-hunting expedition where information related to Oswald was used for this purpose, WITHOUT HIS KNOWLEDGE, but that’s about it. I understand, Bagley's speculation resonates with your KGB Bogeyman perspective, but I don't happen to share that perspective. I don't have a psychological need to connect the election of Trump, and everything in between, to the JFKA.

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