"And he said 'I shot Walker'"

[Michael T. Griffith]

Do you care ANYTHING about the facts? The note was found by Ruth about a week after the assassination. The agents questioned Marina about it on December 3, 1963 (CE 1785). They questioned her at the Martins' residence.

Rather odd that "Ruth" in fabricating the note didn't date it or make the slightest reference that would tie it to the Walker shooting. Maybe Ruth and her handlers were in Three Stooges mode that day?

You seem to a veritable fount of "facts" that aren't facts.

First off, I notice you ignored the fact that Walker himself said the bullet was not a WCC 6.5 FMJ Carcano bullet, that neither Oswald's nor Marina's fingerprints were found on the note, and that two of the three HSCA handwriting experts concluded the note was not in Oswald's handwriting. I should add that the one eyewitness, Walker Coleman, saw two men hurry into cars and leave, and that Coleman said neither man looked like Oswald.

Now, as for when the note was discovered, I meant to say two weeks, not two months. Ruth Paine went to the Irving Police Department on 12/2/63, to turn over some of Marina's belongings. Included was a Russian book called Book of Useful Advice. When the book was inspected by the Secret Service later that day, they found the alleged goodbye note.

[Steve M. Galbraith]

Do you care ANYTHING about the facts? The note was found by Ruth about a week after the assassination. The agents questioned Marina about it on December 3, 1963 (CE 1785). They questioned her at the Martins' residence.

Rather odd that "Ruth" in fabricating the note didn't date it or make the slightest reference that would tie it to the Walker shooting. Maybe Ruth and her handlers were in Three Stooges mode that day?

You seem to a veritable fount of "facts" that aren't facts.

One correction: Ruth didn't find the note. It had been placed in a cookbook that belonged to Marina that she, Ruth, returned after the assassination. The Secret Service searched the book before giving it to Marina and found the note and asked her about it. The note, of course, was determined to be in Oswald's hand writing. And included details that, as far as I can tell, only *he* would know about.

As to Marina's statement: She told the WC that Oswald told her he shot Walker - and told the HSCA; and told the Shaw jury; and told the Orleans Grand Jury; and she repeated it in the "Marina and Lee" book. Was she pressured to make the statements all of those times too?

When did conspiracists start rejecting hearsay? This is a new one.

Remember, Mr. Griffith says Sirhan was hypno programmed to shoot RFK. And that we can't reject the possibility that Babushka Lady shot JFK with a camera gun. Or gun camera. And that all of this, the assassination of JFK et cetera, was done by 25 to 30 people.

[Lance Payette]

One correction: Ruth didn't find the note. It was placed in a cookbook that she returned to/belonged to Marina after the assassination. The Secret Service searched the book before returning it to Marina and found the note and asked her about it. The note, of course, was determined to be in Oswald's hand writing. And included details that, as far as I can tell, only *he* would know about.

As to Marina's statement: She told the WC that Oswald told her he shot Walker; and the HSCA; and the Shaw jury; and the Orleans Grand Jury; and she repeated it in the "Marina and Lee" book. Was she pressured to make the statements all of those times too?

When did conspiracists start rejecting hearsay? This is a new one.

Remember, Mr. Griffith says Sirhan was hypno programmed to shoot RFK. And that we can't reject the possibility that Babushka Lady shot JFK with a camera gun. And that all of this, the assassination of JFK et cetera, was done by 25 to 30 people.

Thanks, I was about to make the correction that she didn't actually find the note itself. She told the WC she was "astounded" when SS agents showed up at her house with the note, and she made no connection to Walker until she later saw the story reported in the Houston Chronicle.

CIA operative Ruth was also in Three Stooges mode at the WC: She said that Oswald, upon returning from a meeting of the right-wing National Indignation Committee, had made a passing remark suggesting he "didn't give much credit" to Walker, but this was not a strong remark at all and certainly not suggestive of violence. And Oswald never said anything at all about JFK. What a missed opportunity on the part of Ruth and her CIA handlers!

[Lance Payette]

Two of the three HSCA handwriting experts said the note was not written in Oswald's handwriting.

To put this as charitably and statesmanlike as possible, you are a BS  artist of the first magnitude. I don't know why anyone would trust ANYTHING you say. Worse yet, the above factoid - which is pure  - is repeated throughout the conspiracy literature.

This is not a difficult research project, folks. The report of the HSCA handwriting panel is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=961#relPageId=227.

Three documents were related because they were mostly or entirely in Russian. The panel designated them Items 23, 56 and 57, to wit:

Item 23: Russian script on lined paper from Alek to Marina and June dated 2-20-1962.
Item 56: Undated ten-line note in Russian signed Alek.
Item 57: The Walker note.

Here is what the three examiners actually said:

Joseph P. McNally
The Russian language on items 23, 56 and 57 is by the same person.
The portions in Latin conform to all the other Oswald-signed documents.

David J. Purtell
With regard to the Russian portions of items 23, 56 and 57, “this examiner is not familiar with this language and the characteristics of the various writing systems used.”
He thus was unable to render a definite opinion but noted there were similarities between the writing in items 23, 56 and 57 and the other (Oswald-signed) items.

Charles C. Scott
Did not examine items 23, 56 and 57 at all.

"Two of the three HSCA handwriting experts said the note was not written in Oswald's handwriting."
Really?
Only in Factoid City.
Only in Conspiracy World.
Only in Michael's BS  posts.

[John Mytton]

To put this as charitably and statesmanlike as possible, you are a BS  artist of the first magnitude. I don't know why anyone would trust ANYTHING you say. Worse yet, the above factoid - which is pure  - is repeated throughout the conspiracy literature.

This is not a difficult research project, folks. The report of the HSCA handwriting panel is here: https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=961#relPageId=227.

Three documents were related because they were mostly or entirely in Russian. The panel designated them Items 23, 56 and 57, to wit:

Item 23: Russian script on lined paper from Alek to Marina and June dated 2-20-1962.
Item 56: Undated ten-line note in Russian signed Alek.
Item 57: The Walker note.

Here is what the three examiners actually said:

Joseph P. McNally
The Russian language on items 23, 56 and 57 is by the same person.
The portions in Latin conform to all the other Oswald-signed documents.

David J. Purtell
With regard to the Russian portions of items 23, 56 and 57, “this examiner is not familiar with this language and the characteristics of the various writing systems used.”
He thus was unable to render a definite opinion but noted there were similarities between the writing in items 23, 56 and 57 and the other (Oswald-signed) items.

Charles C. Scott
Did not examine items 23, 56 and 57 at all.

"Two of the three HSCA handwriting experts said the note was not written in Oswald's handwriting."
Really?
Only in Factoid City.
Only in Conspiracy World.
Only in Michael's BS  posts.

Yes absolutely, Griffith's lies are becoming legendary, or he will ignore a dozen scholarly experts and rely on one outliar outlier "expert" who is only vaguely familiar with the topic.

Using this HSCA Russian Handwriting an example where at least Jon Banks doesn't completely lie but he kinda bends the truth, anyway at the time I thought this was a little odd so I actually read the HSCA report and the answer isn't what we've been told!

The Walker note was in Russian and Oswald's hand writing.

Allegedly. Not all handwriting experts agreed with that conclusion. And Oswald's fingerprints weren't on the note.

Although the FBI’s handwriting expert considered that the note was in Oswald’s handwriting (Warren Commission Hearings, vol.7, p.437), only one of the three experts who were consulted by the House Select Committee on Assassinations considered the note to be authentic (HSCA Report, appendix vol.8, pp.232–246).

For a start you are wrong and the quote that you acquired from some Conspiracy book or web site is right but carefully worded to lead people like you astray and it worked. EDIT And it looks like Martin took the same bait!

The three Russian writings that were examined 23, 56 and 57



McNally says that the writing corresponds with the writing of Oswald


Purtell is unable to give a definitive opinion because he is not familiar with this language but says there are similarities with a large section of Oswald's writing.


Scott didn't even examine 23, 56 or 57


https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol8/html/HSCA_Vol8_0114b.htm

JohnM

[John Mytton]

Officer Norvell discovered the Walker bullet.

Mr. BELIN. Could you tell us what 573 is?
Mr. DAY. This slug was gotten from the home of former General Edwin Walker, 4011 Turtle Creek, April 10, 1963, by Detective B.G. Brown, one of the officers under my supervision. He brought this in and released it to me.




Some of the Evidence in the Walker case.

• Found in Oswald's possessions, a photo of Walkers house. Also accompanying is written instructions for Marina which according to specific details can be correspondingly dated at the same time as the Walker assassination attempt, also of note is Oswald saying "if I'm alive and taken prisoner" means he wasn't planning on tiptoeing through the Tulips.



• Found in Oswald's possessions, a map with Walkers house location marked with a cross



• Found in Oswald's possessions, a photo taken with the same photo that took Oswald family snaps, of a laneway next to Walkers house, taken just before the assassination attempt and the time frame of when the photo was taken was determined by partially finished construction.





• And a decade and a half after the WC, when Marina Porter(previously known as Marina Oswald) had no reason to fear being deported she still recalls Oswald telling her about the Walker assassination attempt.

Mr. McDONALD. Directing your attention to that day, April 10, 1963, would you tell us what happened?
Mrs. PORTER. Well, I cannot remember the timing all the very vivid details of day. I just can state it that that particular night he did not come home until very late, and when he did not come home at regular time, I was worried about him. So I found a note addressed to me what to do in case if he did not come home. Of course I was petrified. Nobody I can turn to. But then later that night when he came home, I asked him to explain. He was out of breath and he was pale, and asked him to explain this note, and he said that "I just shot General Walker." So I was very upset and enraged about that, and we had an argument over it.

BTW Oswald received his rifle a mere month before he attempted the Walker assassination attempt, strongly suggesting that the reason for the rifle purchase was to kill Walker. Oswald meticulously planned the Walker shooting with photos, a map and a note for Marina so she could navigate the immediate aftermath of Oswald's murderous actions.

JohnM

[John Mytton]

There are numerous problems with the case against Oswald in the Walker shooting, starting with the fact that Walker himself said the bullet looked nothing like an WCC FMJ bullet....

"Read the second paragraph s-l-o-w-l-y, Walker says that his bullet was "completely mutilated" and resembled a "hunk of lead" which funnily enough perfectly describes CE 573, then Walker goes on to say that the bullet he remembers bared "no resemblance to an unfired bullet in shape of form" and now think hard, what famous bullet in this case(and more likely to be shown on TV) resembles an unfired bullet??"







JohnM