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"And he said 'I shot Walker'"
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Bill Brown on August 08, 2025, 12:09:57 AM ---"Later that night, about 11:30, Lee came in; white, covered with sweat, looking quite wild in the eyes. And he said 'I shot Walker'." -- Priscilla Johnson McMillan (Frontline - "Who Was Lee Harvey Oswald?", 1993)
Obviously McMillan is referring to Marina Oswald's description of that night, April 10, 1963.
The important part is that Lee Oswald told Marina that he had shot General Walker.
It doesn't matter that Marina would not have been allowed to testify against Lee, had there been a trial. We are not in a court of law. In the "court of wanting to know the historical truth", Lee admitted that he shot at Walker.
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This is dubious hearsay given by Marina when she was being held in a hotel room and threatened by the Secret Service and the FBI and was scared to death of being deported. Marina also said she saw Oswald cleaning the Carcano rifle early in January 1963, but the rifle was not sent to the "Hidell" post office box until the end of March.
There are numerous problems with the case against Oswald in the Walker shooting, starting with the fact that Walker himself said the bullet looked nothing like an WCC FMJ bullet and that not one of the fingerprints on Oswald's alleged goodbye note to Marina matched his or Marina's fingerprints. Two of the three HSCA handwriting experts said the note was not written in Oswald's handwriting. I should add that the note did not surface until two months after the assassination and came from--guess who?--Ruth Paine.
And why in the world would someone who tried to kill the fanatically right-wing General Walker turn around and shoot JFK? That makes no sense whatsoever.
https://www.kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/oswald-and-the-shot-at-walker-redressing-the-balance
http://22november1963.org.uk/did-lee-oswald-shoot-general-edwin-walker
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 11, 2025, 05:06:32 PM --- I should add that the note did not surface until two months after the assassination and came from--guess who?--Ruth Paine.
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Do you care ANYTHING about the facts? The note was found by Ruth about a week after the assassination. The agents questioned Marina about it on December 3, 1963 (CE 1785). They questioned her at the Martins' residence.
Rather odd that "Ruth" in fabricating the note didn't date it or make the slightest reference that would tie it to the Walker shooting. Maybe Ruth and her handlers were in Three Stooges mode that day?
You seem to a veritable fount of "facts" that aren't facts.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on August 11, 2025, 07:39:59 PM ---Do you care ANYTHING about the facts? The note was found by Ruth about a week after the assassination. The agents questioned Marina about it on December 3, 1963 (CE 1785). They questioned her at the Martins' residence.
Rather odd that "Ruth" in fabricating the note didn't date it or make the slightest reference that would tie it to the Walker shooting. Maybe Ruth and her handlers were in Three Stooges mode that day?
You seem to a veritable fount of "facts" that aren't facts.
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First off, I notice you ignored the fact that Walker himself said the bullet was not a WCC 6.5 FMJ Carcano bullet, that neither Oswald's nor Marina's fingerprints were found on the note, and that two of the three HSCA handwriting experts concluded the note was not in Oswald's handwriting. I should add that the one eyewitness, Walker Coleman, saw two men hurry into cars and leave, and that Coleman said neither man looked like Oswald.
Now, as for when the note was discovered, I meant to say two weeks, not two months. Ruth Paine went to the Irving Police Department on 12/2/63, to turn over some of Marina's belongings. Included was a Russian book called Book of Useful Advice. When the book was inspected by the Secret Service later that day, they found the alleged goodbye note.
Steve M. Galbraith:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on August 11, 2025, 07:39:59 PM ---Do you care ANYTHING about the facts? The note was found by Ruth about a week after the assassination. The agents questioned Marina about it on December 3, 1963 (CE 1785). They questioned her at the Martins' residence.
Rather odd that "Ruth" in fabricating the note didn't date it or make the slightest reference that would tie it to the Walker shooting. Maybe Ruth and her handlers were in Three Stooges mode that day?
You seem to a veritable fount of "facts" that aren't facts.
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One correction: Ruth didn't find the note. It had been placed in a cookbook that belonged to Marina that she, Ruth, returned after the assassination. The Secret Service searched the book before giving it to Marina and found the note and asked her about it. The note, of course, was determined to be in Oswald's hand writing. And included details that, as far as I can tell, only *he* would know about.
As to Marina's statement: She told the WC that Oswald told her he shot Walker - and told the HSCA; and told the Shaw jury; and told the Orleans Grand Jury; and she repeated it in the "Marina and Lee" book. Was she pressured to make the statements all of those times too?
When did conspiracists start rejecting hearsay? This is a new one.
Remember, Mr. Griffith says Sirhan was hypno programmed to shoot RFK. And that we can't reject the possibility that Babushka Lady shot JFK with a camera gun. Or gun camera. And that all of this, the assassination of JFK et cetera, was done by 25 to 30 people.
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on August 11, 2025, 07:59:59 PM ---One correction: Ruth didn't find the note. It was placed in a cookbook that she returned to/belonged to Marina after the assassination. The Secret Service searched the book before returning it to Marina and found the note and asked her about it. The note, of course, was determined to be in Oswald's hand writing. And included details that, as far as I can tell, only *he* would know about.
As to Marina's statement: She told the WC that Oswald told her he shot Walker; and the HSCA; and the Shaw jury; and the Orleans Grand Jury; and she repeated it in the "Marina and Lee" book. Was she pressured to make the statements all of those times too?
When did conspiracists start rejecting hearsay? This is a new one.
Remember, Mr. Griffith says Sirhan was hypno programmed to shoot RFK. And that we can't reject the possibility that Babushka Lady shot JFK with a camera gun. And that all of this, the assassination of JFK et cetera, was done by 25 to 30 people.
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Thanks, I was about to make the correction that she didn't actually find the note itself. She told the WC she was "astounded" when SS agents showed up at her house with the note, and she made no connection to Walker until she later saw the story reported in the Houston Chronicle.
CIA operative Ruth was also in Three Stooges mode at the WC: She said that Oswald, upon returning from a meeting of the right-wing National Indignation Committee, had made a passing remark suggesting he "didn't give much credit" to Walker, but this was not a strong remark at all and certainly not suggestive of violence. And Oswald never said anything at all about JFK. What a missed opportunity on the part of Ruth and her CIA handlers!
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