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Michael T. Griffith:

--- Quote from: Charles Collins on August 12, 2025, 10:42:37 AM ---
This is dubious hearsay given by Marina when she was being held in a hotel room and threatened by the Secret Service and the FBI and was scared to death of being deported.

According to James Hosty in his book “Assignment Oswald” an Immigration and Naturalization Service attorney told Marina Oswald, just before his first post assassination interview with Marina on Wednesday 11/27/63, that she definitely was not going to be deported. Here is a snippet from Hosty’s book page 120:

After just a few minutes the INS attorney and Gopadze came out of the room. The INS attorney, acting jittery and nervous, headed straight for the door and quickly left. Brown and I huddled with Gopadze and asked him what that was all about. Shaking his head in disgust, Gopadze told us that the INS man had just informed Marina that the INS was most definitely not going to deport her, but that they still wanted her to cooperate with the FBI.

And if one reads further on about Hosty’s interview, it turns out that Robert Oswald was present and was trying to be sure Marina was treated properly.
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This is another prime example of the disconnect between lone-gunman theorists and the facts. Marina Oswald repeatedly said she was threatened with deportation if she did not "cooperate." But, you take the word of James Hosty, of all people, and claim that Marina was assured she would not be deported.

It takes a minute to think of a more unreliable, discredited source than James Hosty. 

Also, I note that no one is dealing with the evidence that CE 573 is not the Walker bullet and with the fact that Walker himself, an experienced military officer, insisted that CE 573 was not the bullet that was fired at him.
 

--- Quote from: Tom Graves on August 12, 2025, 02:32:42 PM ---Griffith,

Why can't you accept the possibility that Oswald didn't see the wooden cross-piece in the window frame due to a bright light inside Walker's room?
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Because it's totally ridiculous. Did Walker have a giant flood light in his dining room?! Moreover, since it was late at night (9:00 PM), even a very bright light inside the dining room would not have made the window frame invisible but rather would have made the frame contrast even more with the window glass. There is no way that anyone using either the iron sights or the scope could not have seen the window frame, bright light or no bright light, at night.

This is yet another example of the absurd assumptions you guys have to make to believe in the lone-gunman theory.

Two more points:

One, no, Sirhan has never "admitted" that he killed RFK. He has never ceased to say that he has no memory of even being in the pantry that night, much less of shooting RFK. For a time, he took the word of others and assumed that he shot RFK, but he changed his mind after he became aware of the evidence that he could not have shot RFK.

Two, no, contrary to Steve Galbraith's erroneous claim, the CIA's mind-control program was not a "complete failure." Galbraith made this claim in a reply he wrote barely 24 hours after my response, so I suspect he didn't bother to read Kinzer's book on the subject. I also recommend Hank Albarelli's historic 2009 book A Terrible Mistake: The Murder of Frank Olson and the CIA's Secret Cold War Experiments.

Dr. Herbert Spiegel, a New York psychiatrist and world-renowned expert on hypnosis who teaches at Columbia University, has concluded that "Sirhan was probably programmed through hypnosis to fire a gun in the presence of Sen. Robert F. Kennedy without knowing what he was doing and without being able to recall either the events or the process of being programmed" (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2005-feb-05-le-textbooks5.3-story.html)

I again recommend the video The Real Manchurian Candidate, which is available on YouTube. In the video, another leading expert on hypnosis, Dr. Daniel Brown of Harvard University, explains his years-long examination of Sirhan and his conclusion that Sirhan was hypno-programmed to shoot RFK and not to remember doing so and being programmed to do so.

John Mytton:

--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 13, 2025, 02:10:52 PM ---
Just shaking my head. Again, we're not talking about "massive amounts of parallax." We're talking about extremely tiny, virtually microscopic amounts of parallax. Again, the differences were in millimeters/tiny fractions of inches. For example, the HSCA PEP found that the "gate bolt to screen" difference in distance between 133-A and 133-B, adjusted for scaling distance, is 0.15 mm (1.96 mm in 133-A vs. 2.11 mm in 133-B). 0.15 mm equals 0.005905512 inches, i.e., 1/168th of an inch.

Your graphics are downright goofy and show that you don't understand the basics of the problem.


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Like your many Zapruder failures, here again, you haven't got a clue!

Here's the HSCA's methodology and you simply have a complete misunderstanding of the numbers. It really is so basic that a child could understand, the HSCA measurements were based on tiny photos and therefore your conclusion of "microscopic amounts of parallax" is beyond laughable.



Here in another of my "goofy" educational aids and as I previously schooled you, the HSCA Photographic Panel demonstrated massive amounts of relative parallax movements between the objects in each backyard photo.
And in your HSCA example of "gate bolt to screen", as can be seen in my "goofy" graphic, the vertical parallax movement is hardly "microscopic" and in fact is quite consistent with how Marina took the photos.

I have highlighted and stabilized the gate bolt, and the screen behind can be seen clearly moving more than a "tiny fraction of an inch"! Hahaha!



BTW on your Backyard photo fraud page you seem to rely on Jack White who believes in Moon Landing and 9/11 fakery, which goes a long way to explain your belief system.

JohnM

Bill Brown:

--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on August 13, 2025, 03:46:32 PM ---One, no, Sirhan has never "admitted" that he killed RFK.

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In the Sirhan interview with Frost that I mentioned, in the video posted by Steve Galbraith, right at the one minute mark Sirhan said he sincerely regrets his actions.  What do you think he was talking about, i.e. what actions do you think Sirhan is saying that he regrets?

Lance Payette:
Breaking news: Prepare yourself, people. The Walker incident has been solved. Greg Doudna has a new book coming out (yes, we NEED another book) CONCLUSIVELY proving that the Walker shooting was a publicity stunt in which Walker himself participated. Greg says "conclusively" twice in his post at the Ed Forum, https://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/31685-frontlinepbs-jfka-witness-interviews-access-issue/page/2/#comments, so you know it's the real deal. Curiously, his bombshell post was ignored by the rest of the participants.

In any event, there were three participants in addition to Walker himself - two Walker aides and, yep, Oswald. One aide was in the parking lot in a car with the engine running and the headlights on in order to blind any observer. He gave a signal to Walker and two men in the alley (another aide and Oswald), whereupon Walker hit the floor and the shot was fired harmlessly by the other aide. The aide handed the rifle to Oswald, who ran like a rabbit. Walker waited until the aides were safely home before phoning the police. You'll want to read Greg's post for yourself, which seems to me to eliminate any need to buy the book.

Yes, you're right, Greg is nuttier than the proverbial fruitcake. He is one of those JFKA researchers who actually has academic credentials (he has expertise in the Dead Sea Scrolls, another of my interests) but is, alas, nuttier than a fruitcake insofar as the JFKA is concerned. He is absolutely hellbent to break new ground in the JFKA with massive 75-page off-the-wall "analyses" to which few pay serious attention. He must be very, very bored (as am I, admittedly, but I'll get over it when I have this damn Achilles surgery tomorrow and am back in action in a few months).

You will notice that Greg's latest, like so many CT narratives, suffers from two familiar fatal flaws:

1. It makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. In the unlikely event Walker wanted to drum up sympathy for himself, he scarcely would have needed a scenario as absurdly elaborate and risk filled as the one Greg posits. Regardless of his political views and sexual proclivities, Walker was a major military figure who presumably had more planning ability than Curly, Larry and Moe.

2. It simply inserts a cardboard Oswald, the Most Interesting Man in the World, into a scenario in which the actual Oswald simply doesn't fit. What does Oswald's participation add to the scenario Greg posits? How would Walker and his aides have known anything about Oswald or have recruited him? Wouldn't the inclusion of Oswald have increased the risks by a factor of, oh, 1000 or so? What would have been Oswald's interest in participating in this nonsense? Why was it necessary for Oswald to write the note to Marina, tell Marina anything at all, or leave the other incriminating evidence? What did Oswald do with the rifle used to fire the shot? Honestly, WHAT THE HELL?

It's all totally ad hoc and very typical of Greg: Can I craft a new and innovative scenario that includes Oswald - because he pretty clearly was involved - but that nevertheless exonerates him or at least makes him just a cog in someone else's elaborate conspiracy? Well, yes, you can - but at the expense of logic, rationality and believability.

Steve M. Galbraith:

--- Quote from: Bill Brown on August 13, 2025, 09:11:51 PM ---In the Sirhan interview with Frost that I mentioned, in the video posted by Steve Galbraith, right at the one minute mark Sirhan said he sincerely regrets his actions.  What do you think he was talking about, i.e. what actions do you think Sirhan is saying that he regrets?

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Sirhan admitted in his trial that he shot JFK RFK. He claimed "diminished capacity." He also admitted to the police that he shot JFK RFK. And he admitted in a parole hearing that he shot JFK RFK. He said he remembered firing the first shot but not any other shots.

How much more do we have to have? Was he hypno programmed to make these confessions too? As we know, you cannot reason with unreasonable conspiracy believers (there are some reasonable ones remaining). Michael Griffith is a textbook example of it.

You can read about the case here (this is from the state Supreme Court decision on Sirhan's appeal not the trial; but it cites details of the trial): https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-supreme-court/1826802.html

Note this part in particular: "At the trial it was undisputed that defendant fired the shot that killed Senator Kennedy. The evidence also established conclusively that he shot the victims of the assault counts. The principal defense relied upon by defendant was that of diminished capacity."

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