Did Clay Shaw mastermind a homosexual "thrill kill" assassination of JFK?

[Tom Graves]

No, I simply think Garrison was insane.

And overly ambitious, scandal-plagued, and revengeful to boot. Regarding the latter, I've read that Shaw once publicly embarrassed him in a restaurant by forcing him to stop verbally abusing his wife.

I have no idea what this thread is supposed to be about [...] or what on earth you're talking about.

I doubt that you're that obtuse, FP, but I'll spell it out for you:

If Communist-owned "Paese Sera" hadn't published the anti-CIA / anti-Shaw article after Garrison had arrested Shaw, and if Garrison hadn't read a translated, knockoff version of it (courtesy of Joan Mellen's ex-husband in London), Garrison probably would have "stayed on course" and tried to prove in court that Shaw had masterminded a homosexual thrill-kill assassination of JFK.

But it did.

And Garrison read a knock-off version of it within three weeks.

And it convinced him to pursue the "the CIA killed JFK" angle, instead.

Get it?

I have no idea why you think it was worth starting.

This thread was worth starting because we're seeing similar "active measures" today, e.g., the KGB's "losing" to Dutch Intelligence hackers in 2016 some fake "Russian Intel" memos which impugned Hillary, Obama and Biden by incorporating fake emails. At least one of which memos James Comey and Special Counsel John Durham realized was fake, but the former, fearing that it would be leaked by pro-Trump FBI agents before the election and damage the reputation of AG Lynch or some-such thing, used as an excuse for prematurely (in retrospect) terminating the Bureau's investigation of Hillary's emails, and the latter went ahead and sneakily incorporated some others from the same batch into his nothing-burger Investigation of the Investigators.

And because "useful idiot" (or worse) Tulsi Gabbard, et al., are now trying to spin those fake Russian memos in such a way to make it look as though high-level Deep State Dems sabotaged Trump's campaign, and Tulsi, et al., are hoping that the spun issue of "Russiagate" will distract his MAGAT base from the Epstein/Maxwell/ Trump Case by having it refocus on Russiagate! Russiagate! Russiagate!, and do so while "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin is jumping for joy -- because "useful idiots" (or worse) "Republicans" are doing his dirty work for him, just as Jim Garrison (and, twenty years later, Comrade Oliver Stone) did the Kremlin's dirty work so well that this "JFKA Forum" exists some sixty-two years after the fact, and you and I are even having this conversation.

That's why.

I do, however, put Clay Shaw and Ruth Paine on the Mt. Rushmore of people who have suffered at the hands of CT lunatics.

Okay.

EDIT: Hmmmm. After posting the above, I, as a Serious and Dedicated Researcher, reviewed over 15 pages of Google results for "homosexual thrill killing." I found zero references to this heinous crime other than in connection with the Garrison investigation. It would appear the FBI is wasting its time with the LGBTQ+ thrill killing training, although I can see why Hoover might've found it titillating.

"Crazy," overly ambitious, scandal-plagued and revengeful Garrison couldn't possibly have seriously entertained the theory, then, could he, FP?

I also discovered, however, that some fairly serious folks DO question Phelan's account.

Who, pray tell?

Jim "The CIA Did It!" DiEugenio?

Gary "Rudeness" Aguilar?

Jefferson "Yuri Nosenko Was a True Defector!" Morley?

I must say, the account sounds pretty nutty, even for Garrison.

Yes, pretty nutty, indeed, but not too nutty for overly ambitious, scandal-plagued and revengeful Jim Garrison, I'm afraid.

Perhaps Phelan was a Solie-planted mole or ferret? What did Nosenko say about all this? Is Newman on the case?

Funny . . . I was just going to ask you what your favorite humanitarian, Vladimir Putin, told you about it?

Equally funny is the fact that you didn't mention true defector KGB Major Anatoliy Golitsyn. Is it because it was he who tried to warn the CIA and the FBI as early as 1962 that they could expect (after a 35-year hiatus since the GPU's* highly successful "Operation Trust") to be on the receiving end of Sun Tzu-like "active measures" operations by your beloved KGB, and the fact that the aforementioned "Paese Sera" article so nicely fit the bill, albeit some five years later?

Hmmmmm, indeed.

*GPU = Gosudarstvennoye politicheskoye upravleniye