The Entrance Wound in the Throat, the Front Shirt Slits, and Tie Knot Nick

[John Mytton]

   You seem to have forgotten the "bunching" issue with respect to the Shirt and coat. It could apply here too.

The rear of JFK's jacket bunching in the following way is independent of the collar and tie, which are fixed securely around the neck.



We can't see the underlying shirt but there is evidence that Kennedy's shirt demonstrated a near identical bunching.



Explain how you believe a similar bunching can occur to the front of the collar and tie?



JohnM

[Michael T. Griffith]

The rear of JFK's jacket bunching in the following way is independent of the collar and tie, which are fixed securely around the neck.

How many times are you going to post this bogus "evidence" and ignore the objections to it? Again:

1. Willis slide 5, taken almost at the moment of impact of the first hit, shows JFK's coat lying virtually flat on his back.

2. The modest bunching seen in your GIF could not possibly have produced the 5-inch difference between the rear clothing holes and the WC's location for the back wound. This is not to mention that the modest bunching does not even reach the shirt collar.

We can't see the underlying shirt but there is evidence that Kennedy's shirt demonstrated a near identical bunching.

And I'll again point out:

1. The photo you're using shows Kennedy in a very different position than the position he was in when he was shot. In your photo, he's leaning far forward with his elbows and forearms on his legs. In the motorcade, he was reclining back against the seat, and his back never came off the seat until after he began to react to the first hit. Most of JFK's shirt was pinned against the back seat by his torso until he began to react to the first wound.

2. The photo you're using shows JFK wearing only a shirt and no coat, so there was nothing to keep the shirt from bunching. This was not the case during the motorcade.

3. The close alignment of the rear clothing holes means that the shirt and coat would have had to bunch in nearly perfect correspondence, virtually millimeter-for-millimeter correspondence, an absurd proposition.

Explain how you believe a similar bunching can occur to the front of the collar and tie? JohnM

Huh? Explain how a bullet exiting the shirt slits could have missed tearing through the tie. Even your third photo shows that the top part of the tie was neatly centered between the edges of the collar band. We know the slits were below the interior collar band and parallel with the bottom half of the exterior collar band. There is no way a bullet exiting those slits could have avoided tearing through the tie, but we know there was no hole through the tie, only a small nick on the left edge of the knot.

Explain how a bullet exiting the shirt slits could have magically weaved around the bulk of the tie knot and nicked the left edge. It's just nonsense.

I see that Mitch Todd has misleadingly cherry-picked part of Dr. Carrico's testimony, ignoring the part where Carrico specified to WC member Dulles that the throat wound was above the shirt and tie, and ignoring Carrico's detailed interview with Harold Weisberg in which Carrico confirmed that the throat wound was above the shirt and tie, that he saw the throat wound before the clothes were removed, and that he saw no slits in the shirt until after the nurses began cutting away JFK's clothing.

In the segment quoted by Mitch Todd, Carrico was not saying he did not see the throat wound until after the clothing had been removed. The "we" referred to those in the room, including those who had entered the room after the clothing had been cut away. Dr. Ronald Jones specified that he saw the throat wound above the shirt and tie before the clothing was removed. So did Dr. Goldstrich. I quote from the OP:

Dr. Ronald Jones saw JFK's body before the clothes were removed. Interviewed for the 2023 Paramount documentary JFK: What the Doctors Saw, Dr. Jones said the throat wound was "visible" and that it was "just above where the shirt and tie was":

The first thing I noticed was a very small wound in his neck in the front. . . .
We could tell that the wound was in the front of the neck just above
where the shirt and tie was. So it was visible to you.
(18:12-18:19, 18:32-18:39)

In the same documentary, Dr. Joe D. Goldstrich, a fourth-year medical student at Parkland Hospital at the time, said he could see the neck wound when JFK's clothes were still on:

I do remember that very early on, even when his clothes were
still on, I saw the wound in his neck. (18:20-18:28)

There is no way Jones and Goldstrich could have seen the throat wound if it had been beneath/behind the shirt slits. This raises another problem: the shirt slits were simply too low to explain the throat wound.

[Royell Storing]

The rear of JFK's jacket bunching in the following way is independent of the collar and tie, which are fixed securely around the neck.



We can't see the underlying shirt but there is evidence that Kennedy's shirt demonstrated a near identical bunching.



Explain how you believe a similar bunching can occur to the front of the collar and tie?



JohnM

   Come on John. If the shirt can "bunch" in the back, it can do so also in the front. If a shirt is a "tailored" fit, it "bunches" nowhere, front or back. Be objective.

[Tim Nickerson]

I further notice that you said nothing about the fact that the FBI found no metallic traces around the shirt slits but did find metallic traces around the rear clothing holes

"If a bullet goes through multiple layers of cloth, bullet wipe may be present only around the defect in the cloth that was perforated first." -- pages 354 and 355 of Gunshot Wounds: Practical Aspects of Firearms, Ballistics, and Forensic Techniques. by Vincent J. M. Di Maio, M.D.