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The Entrance Wound in the Throat, the Front Shirt Slits, and Tie Knot Nick
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on July 30, 2025, 02:01:53 PM ---Here's another GIF comparison from a completely different angle that absolutely destroys your latest lame "certain fact".
JohnM
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More of your bogus graphics. I notice you didn't use any of the photos that we have of JFK in the limo in Dallas shortly before the shooting. Why was that? We both know why.
Even in your silly "GIF comparison," we can plainly see that any bullet exiting the shirt slits would have had to tear through the tie, but the released tie photos prove there was no hole in the tie.
I also notice you said nothing about the fact that three Parkland doctors said the throat wound was visible before JFK's clothes were removed. This would not have been the case if the throat wound had been behind/beneath the shirt slits. Surely even you can see this.
I further notice that you said nothing about the fact that the FBI found no metallic traces around the shirt slits but did find metallic traces around the rear clothing holes, and that the slits had no fabric missing from them. If a bullet had exited the slits, (1) it would have left metallic traces around the edges of the slits, and (2) it would have removed fabric, just as fabric was removed from the rear clothing holes.
Honestly, dealing with SBT believers is like dealing with cultists or with those who claim the Moon landings were faked and/or that 9/11 was an inside job. Even when confronted with undeniable and conclusive evidence that disproves your theory, you refuse to abandon it.
John Mytton:
Kennedy at Love Field wearing the exact same shirt and tie as when he was shot and as can be clearly seen in every example I have presented, the exiting bullet by definition has to pass at the same height as JFK's tie knot.
To suggest that Kennedy's professionally fitted shirt and tie were somehow excessively lowered at the time of impact is sheer lunacy. In the following GIF, which vividly demonstrates Kennedy and Connally's violent simultaneous reaction we can easily see JFK's expertly fitted shirt and tie is seated at precisely the same height as every other photo/film taken of Kennedy.
JohnM
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 30, 2025, 05:22:20 PM ---I further notice that you said nothing about the fact that the FBI found no metallic traces around the shirt slits but did find metallic traces around the rear clothing holes, and that the slits had no fabric missing from them. If a bullet had exited the slits, (1) it would have left metallic traces around the edges of the slits,
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"The nine representative rounds of 9mm Luger ammunition were fired into 100% white cotton t-shirts,
fitted over a device to approximate body torso thickness, at a muzzle to target distance of six feet (72 inches) in
a manner that created an entrance hole in the front and an exit hole in the back of the t-shirt for each shot. All
nine bullet entrance holes and exit holes were subjected to XRF analysis. Entrance hole residues ranged in
lead concentration levels from 190 parts per million (ppm) to over 1,000 ppm while exit hole residue lead
levels ranged from zero to 74 ppm. In all cases, entrance hole lead concentrations were at least six times
higher than exit hole lead levels"
https://www.aafs.org/sites/default/files/media/documents/AAFS-2009-A181.pdf
Mitch Todd:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 30, 2025, 03:25:42 PM --- Hey John - How do you explain the claim that 3 Dr's reported seeing the throat wound BEFORE the JFK shirt/tie was removed? Also, based on your diagram of the bullet path, where would the bullet impact Gov Connally or the jump seat? This is why the SBT does Not work. You line up the shot to match the JFK throat wound and it then does Not line up with striking just above the jump seat and the back/armpit of Gov Connally. You have presented only a portion of this equation.
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Which 3 Doctors are you talking about?
If you look through all of Carrico's WC testimony, you'll find this:
Mr. SPECTER - What did you observe as to the President's condition upon his arrival?
Dr. CARRICO - He was lying on a carriage, his respirations were slow, spasmodic, described as agonal.
Mr. SPECTER - What do you mean by "agonal" if I may interrupt you for just a moment there, Doctor?
Dr. CARRICO - These are respirations seen in one who has lost the normal coordinated central control of respiration. These are spasmodic and usually reflect a terminal patient.
Mr. SPECTER - Would you continue to describe your observations of the President?
Dr. CARRICO - His-- the President's color--I don't believe I said--he was an ashen, bluish, grey, cyanotic, he was making no spontaneous movements, I mean, no voluntary movements at all. We opened his shirt and coat and tie and observed a small wound in the anterior lower third of the neck, listened very briefly, heard a few cardiac beats, felt the President's back, and detected no large or sucking chest wounds, and then proceeded to the examination of his head. The large skull and scalp wound had been previously observed and was inspected a little more closely. There seemed to be a 4-5 cm. area of avulsion of the scalp and the skull was fragmented and bleeding cerebral and cerebellar tissue. The pupils were inspected and seemed to be bilaterally dilated and fixed. No pulse was present, and at that time, because of the inadequate respirations and the apparent airway injury, a cuffed endotracheal tube was introduced, employing a larynzoscope. Through the larynzo scope there seemed to be some hematoma around the larynx and immediately below the larynx was seen the ragged tracheal injury. The endotracheal tube was inserted past this injury, the cuff inflated, and the tube was connected to a [Bennet] respirator to assist the inadequate respiration.
In this account, Carrico said that they didn't see the throat wound until after the shirt, coat, and tie had been "opened." This implies that it wasn't visible until they were removing the clothing.
Perry, who came in at the same time as Jones said that Carrico was already "attaching the Bennett apparatus to an endotracheal tube in place to assist his respiration," so Jones could not have seen the wound before the shirt coat and tie had already been moved out of the way. IIRC Goldstritch said he came in with Clark. But Clark, in his own testimony, said that at the time he entered TR1, Perry was already working on the tracheotomy after taking over from Carrico.
Royell Storing:
--- Quote from: John Mytton on July 31, 2025, 03:33:40 AM ---Kennedy at Love Field wearing the exact same shirt and tie as when he was shot and as can be clearly seen in every example I have presented, the exiting bullet by definition has to pass at the same height as JFK's tie knot.
To suggest that Kennedy's professionally fitted shirt and tie were somehow excessively lowered at the time of impact is sheer lunacy. In the following GIF, which vividly demonstrates Kennedy and Connally's violent simultaneous reaction we can easily see JFK's expertly fitted shirt and tie is seated at precisely the same height as every other photo/film taken of Kennedy.
JohnM
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You seem to have forgotten the "bunching" issue with respect to the Shirt and coat. It could apply here too.
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