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The Entrance Wound in the Throat, the Front Shirt Slits, and Tie Knot Nick
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 27, 2025, 05:47:51 PM ---I believe the shallow back wound bullet is supposed to be the bullet that SA Paul Landis claimed he found inside the JFK Limo. Landis also claimed to have placed that same bullet on a hospital gurney.
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Storing,
What do you mean by "supposed to be"?
"Supposed to be caused by"?
Is that what you're trying to say?
If so, why don't you think the entry wounds to JFK's upper-back / lower-neck and JBC's back were both caused by CE-399?
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Royell Storing on July 27, 2025, 05:47:51 PM --- I believe the shallow back wound bullet is supposed to be the bullet that SA Paul Landis claimed he found inside the JFK Limo. Landis also claimed to have placed that same bullet on a hospital gurney.
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Yes, it's too bad Landis didn't reveal his bombshell at the time. I will grant that the autopsy doctors' inability to trace the path of the bullet that caused the back wound is puzzling. I will grant Cliff Varnell's point that the alignment of the holes in the clothing with the throat wound is problematical (yes, I know all about the "bunching" argument regarding the clothes). Add in the condition of CE 399 for all the damage it is supposed to have done, together with Connally's insistence he was hit by a different shot, and the SBT is somewhat (or considerably more than somewhat) difficult to swallow. On the other hand, it's quite difficult to accept the back wound being a Carcano dud that found its target 80+ yards away and penetrated two layers of clothing and an inch or two of skin. In my past experience with reloading, in which I managed to create a fair number of duds, that isn't realistic dud performance.
I tend to think the SBT, with all its problems, is the most likely solution. There are so many variables as to EXACTLY how the rifle was positioned, EXACTLY what the particular cartridge was like, EXACTLY how the car was positioned and moving, EXACTLY how JFK's clothing was positioned (including the possible effect of his back brace), EXACTLY how JFK and Connally were positioned, and EXACTLY what the bullet did upon impact, transit and second and third impacts, for me to place much stock in forensic reconstructions supposedly showing the SBT is impossible. I do like to play around with alternative scenarios and am not convinced the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN narrative.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on July 28, 2025, 12:43:56 AM ---Yes, it's too bad Landis didn't reveal his bombshell at the time. I will grant that the autopsy doctors' inability to trace the path of the bullet that caused the back wound is puzzling. I will grant Cliff Varnell's point that the alignment of the holes in the clothing with the throat wound is problematical (yes, I know all about the "bunching" argument regarding the clothes). Add in the condition of CE 399 for all the damage it is supposed to have done, together with Connally's insistence he was hit by a different shot, and the SBT is somewhat (or considerably more than somewhat) difficult to swallow. On the other hand, it's quite difficult to accept the back wound being a Carcano dud that found its target 80+ yards away and penetrated two layers of clothing and an inch or two of skin. In my past experience with reloading, in which I managed to create a fair number of duds, that isn't realistic dud performance.
I tend to think the SBT, with all its problems, is the most likely solution. There are so many variables as to EXACTLY how the rifle was positioned, EXACTLY what the particular cartridge was like, EXACTLY how the car was positioned and moving, EXACTLY how JFK's clothing was positioned (including the possible effect of his back brace), EXACTLY how JFK and Connally were positioned, and EXACTLY what the bullet did upon impact, transit and second and third impacts, for me to place much stock in forensic reconstructions supposedly showing the SBT is impossible. I do like to play around with alternative scenarios and am not convinced the SBT is absolutely essential to the LN narrative.
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The inability of the autopsy doctors to trace the path of the bullet through JFK's upper torso was probably due to the fact that rigor mortis had set in on JFK's corpse.
IIRC, the path was deduced by their physical examination of JFK's lung, etc, and is verified by hints of it in the X-rays.
Lance Payette:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on July 28, 2025, 01:20:18 AM ---The inability of the autopsy doctors to trace the path of the bullet through JFK's upper torso is probably due to the fact that rigor mortis had set in on JFK's corpse.
IIRC, the path was deduced by their physical examination of JFK's lung, etc, and is verified by hints of it in the X-rays.
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That may well be (rigor mortis can affect the determination of a bullet path) but the doctors were puzzled and the fact that they didn't nail down the issue by dissecting the path is likewise puzzling. One might think "a back wound that goes nowhere" would have been puzzling enough to cause them to dissect the wound path (Finck later testified that some general ordered them not to). Gary Aguilar's oft-cited article, "HOW FIVE INVESTIGATIONS INTO JFK’S MEDICAL/AUTOPSY EVIDENCE GOT IT WRONG," contains a good discussion right up front about the issues with the back wound and throat wound at the autopsy: https://www.history-matters.com/essays/jfkmed/How5Investigations/How5InvestigationsGotItWrong_1a.htm. In any event, it's all kind of a mess and doesn't inspire confidence in the SBT even if the SBT is, in fact, correct.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Lance Payette on July 28, 2025, 01:50:26 AM ---"[T]he fact that [the autopsy doctors] didn't nail down the issue by dissecting the path is likewise puzzling."
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1) Going from memory, here, but didn't Admiral Burkley communicate to them that Jackie and Bobby, waiting upstairs, were getting impatient for them to finish? Or was it because he (or they) didn't want anyone to know that JFK had a serious problem with his adrenal glands?
2) When did they finally realize that there was a bullet wound in JFK's throat? The next day?
3) These are two examples of how the JFKA was "anomaly-replete," IMHO, readymade for the world-class humanitarian organization known as the KGB* to take advantage of via the likes of Joachim Joesten, Thomas G. Buchanan, Mark Lane, Jim Garrison, and Comrade Oliver Stone, et al. ad nauseum, so that someone like The Traitorous Orange Bird (rhymes with Xxxx) could eventually be "elected" as our "President."
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