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A History of the Single-Bullet Theory Follies
Michael T. Griffith:
Another devastating piece of evidence against the SBT is the H-shaped exit hole in the front of Connally's shirt. WC apologists almost never talk about this hole. No one has yet explained how the SBT's virtually intact bullet could have produced the H-shaped tear in Connally’s shirt.
The Warren Commission described the tear as follows:
A very irregular tear in the form of an "H" was observed on the front side
of the Governor's shirt, approximately 1 1/2 inches high, with a crossbar
tear approximately 1 inch wide, located 5 inches from the right side seam
and 9 inches from the top of the right sleeve. (Warren Commission Report,
p. 94)
Obviously, this tear was created by a badly deformed bullet, or a large badly deformed bullet fragment, or multiple bullet fragments. It is hard to imagine how CE 399, the hero of the SBT, could have produced such an H-shaped tear.
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 03, 2025, 10:09:04 PM ---Another devastating piece of evidence against the SBT is the H-shaped exit hole in the front of Connally's shirt. WC apologists almost never talk about this hole. No one has yet explained how the SBT's virtually intact bullet could have produced the H-shaped tear in Connally’s shirt.
The Warren Commission described the tear as follows:
A very irregular tear in the form of an "H" was observed on the front side
of the Governor's shirt, approximately 1 1/2 inches high, with a crossbar
tear approximately 1 inch wide, located 5 inches from the right side seam
and 9 inches from the top of the right sleeve. (Warren Commission Report,
p. 94)
Obviously, this tear was created by a badly deformed bullet, or a large badly deformed bullet fragment, or multiple bullet fragments. It is hard to imagine how CE 399, the hero of the SBT, could have produced such an H-shaped tear.
--- End quote ---
Mr. SPECTER - Referring now to the front side of the Governor's shirt, what, if anything, did you observe with respect to a tear or a hole thereon, as to the body of the shirt?
Mr. FRAZIER - I found in the right chest area of the shirt, considering the shirt when it is being worn, a very irregular tear more or less in the form of an "H," of the letter "H." This tear was approximately 1 1/2 inches in height, with the crossbar tear being approximately 1 inch in width, which caused a very irregularly shaped and enlarged hole in the front of the shirt. The hole is located 5 inches from the right-side seam, and 9 inches below the top of the right sleeve. The 9-inch figure is from the top of the right shoulder where the sleeve adjoins the yoke of the shirt.
Mr. SPECTER - Had that garment been cleaned and pressed, Mr. Frazier, prior to the time you examined it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - Were there sufficient characteristics then remaining on the hole on the front side to enable you to formulate an opinion as to the cause of the hole?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - Could it have been caused by a 6.5 millimeter bullet exiting from the chest of the Governor?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, it could.
Mr. SPECTER - Now what, if anything----
Mr. DULLES - Could I ask there, would the size and character of this hole indicate the condition of the bullet, I mean as to whether it was tumbling or whether it was a mutilated bullet or anything of that kind?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it would not.
Mr. DULLES - Even a bullet in full flight, full velocity could have made this kind of a hole in the shirt?
Mr. FRAZIER - It could have, particularly if the shirt had been wrinkled at the time it passed through, and particularly because the material in this shirt tore rather severely at the time the object passed through, indicating a very weak structure of the cotton fiber, so that it would tear out of all proportion to a stronger fabric.
And for that reason, the shape of the hole could be affected by the condition of the material as well as any folds in the material or, as you say, by a mutilated bullet or a passage of a bullet through the cloth at an angle to the surface or the passing of a bullet partially sideways through the cloth.
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on September 03, 2025, 11:13:02 PM ---Mr. SPECTER - Referring now to the front side of the Governor's shirt, what, if anything, did you observe with respect to a tear or a hole thereon, as to the body of the shirt?
Mr. FRAZIER - I found in the right chest area of the shirt, considering the shirt when it is being worn, a very irregular tear more or less in the form of an "H," of the letter "H." This tear was approximately 1 1/2 inches in height, with the crossbar tear being approximately 1 inch in width, which caused a very irregularly shaped and enlarged hole in the front of the shirt. The hole is located 5 inches from the right-side seam, and 9 inches below the top of the right sleeve. The 9-inch figure is from the top of the right shoulder where the sleeve adjoins the yoke of the shirt.
Mr. SPECTER - Had that garment been cleaned and pressed, Mr. Frazier, prior to the time you examined it?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - Were there sufficient characteristics then remaining on the hole on the front side to enable you to formulate an opinion as to the cause of the hole?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir.
Mr. SPECTER - Could it have been caused by a 6.5 millimeter bullet exiting from the chest of the Governor?
Mr. FRAZIER - Yes, it could.
Mr. SPECTER - Now what, if anything----
Mr. DULLES - Could I ask there, would the size and character of this hole indicate the condition of the bullet, I mean as to whether it was tumbling or whether it was a mutilated bullet or anything of that kind?
Mr. FRAZIER - No, sir; it would not.
Mr. DULLES - Even a bullet in full flight, full velocity could have made this kind of a hole in the shirt?
Mr. FRAZIER - It could have, particularly if the shirt had been wrinkled at the time it passed through, and particularly because the material in this shirt tore rather severely at the time the object passed through, indicating a very weak structure of the cotton fiber, so that it would tear out of all proportion to a stronger fabric.
And for that reason, the shape of the hole could be affected by the condition of the material as well as any folds in the material or, as you say, by a mutilated bullet or a passage of a bullet through the cloth at an angle to the surface or the passing of a bullet partially sideways through the cloth.
--- End quote ---
Oh, well, that settles it! Frazier said that CE 399, a virtually undeformed bullet, could have made the "very irregular tear," shaped like an H, 1.5 inches high, 1.75 inches wide on the right side of the H, 1.25 inches on the left side of the H, with a 1-inch wide crossbar tear connecting the sides of the H, so it must be true--never mind that the exit hole in Connally's coat was only 0.5 inches high (i.e., just half an inch high) and 0.38 inches wide and was nearly perfectly circular!
Did you stop to think about this before you posted it? Why not try thinking for yourself instead of blindly accepting every factoid the FBI peddled?
Now think, just think: How could the same bullet that tore a 1.5-inch x 1.75-inch/1.25-inch H-shaped hole in the shirt have then torn a hole in the coat that was 200% smaller in height and width than the hole in the shirt? How would that work?
Look at these high-quality, close-up photos of the holes in Connally's coat and shirt:
https://share.google/meleOhNbOCbAGaReB
I notice you once again declined to face the fact that we know that no bullet exited the shirt slits because there was no hole in the tie and there is no way a bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the knot and then nicked the top of the knot near the left edge. Ignoring this hard physical evidence will not make it go away.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on September 04, 2025, 03:26:40 PM ---Oh, well, that settles it! Frazier said that CE 399, a virtually undeformed bullet, could have made the "very irregular tear," shaped like an H, 1.5 inches high, 1.75 inches wide on the right side of the H, 1.25 inches on the left side of the H, with a 1-inch wide crossbar tear connecting the sides of the H, so it must be true--never mind that the exit hole in Connally's coat was only 0.5 inches high (i.e., just half an inch high) and 0.38 inches wide and was nearly perfectly circular!
Did you stop to think about this before you posted it? Why not try thinking for yourself instead of blindly accepting every factoid the FBI peddled?
Now think, just think: How could the same bullet that tore a 1.5-inch x 1.75-inch/1.25-inch H-shaped hole in the shirt have then torn a hole in the coat that was 200% smaller in height and width than the hole in the shirt[/b][/i]? How would that work?
Look at these high-quality, close-up photos of the holes in Connally's coat and shirt:
https://share.google/meleOhNbOCbAGaReB
I notice you once again declined to face the fact that we know that no bullet exited the shirt slits because there was no hole in the tie and there is no way a bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the knot and then nicked the top of the knot near the left edge. Ignoring this hard physical evidence will not make it go away.
--- End quote ---
Comrade Griffith,
Why do you keep spreading KGB-approved lies like, "CE-399 is virtually undeformed"?
How much does "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin pay you, anyway?
-- Tom
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Tom Graves on September 04, 2025, 03:41:26 PM ---Comrade Griffith, Why do you keep spreading KGB-approved lies like, "CE-399 is virtually undeformed"? How much does "former" KGB officer Vladimir Putin pay you, anyway? -- Tom
--- End quote ---
Why do you keep denying reality? Or is your eyesight just extremely poor? As anyone can see in the photos of CE 399, the bullet has no deformation whatsoever except for a slight deformation at its base, which is not even visible unless you look at the photo of the bottom of the bullet. One can also see that the bullet's lands and grooves are intact. And, as no one disputes, the bullet weighed only 2.4 grains less after its alleged journey through two men than it did before it was fired, which means that it retained 98.5% of its substance.
Are you so pathologically determined to believe in the lone-gunman theory that you can't see what everyone else can see in the photos of CE 399? Are you aware that the WC described CE 399 as "a nearly whole bullet," and that the FBI's ballistics expert Robert Frazier said the bullet was only "slightly flattened" at its base?
Why are we even talking about CE 399's condition when you refuse to face the fact that we know that no bullet exited the shirt slits because there was no hole in the tie and because there is no way a bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the knot and then nicked the top of the knot? Why do you keep Ignoring this hard physical evidence? If a bullet had exited the shirt slits, it could not have missed the tie knot, but there was no hole through the tie, only a nick on the top of the knot.
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