If a CT could come to accept the "SBT," would he or she remain a CT?

[Jake Maxwell]

Also, regarding the throat wound, Dr. Nathan Jacobs observed that the Parkland doctors described a laceration of the pharynx and trachea that was larger than the small throat wound, which would usually indicate the bullet traveled from front to back. The interior damage noted below the level of the throat wound indicates that the projectile, whether a bullet, a bullet fragment, or a glass fragment, ranged downward after it entered the throat

When Harold Weisberg examined high-quality photos of JFK's shirt at the National Archives, he noticed there is less blood inside the collar band than on the outside, which doesn't fit the SBT scenario. If a bullet had exited the throat, one would expect there would be just as much blood, if not more, on the inside of the collar band as on the outside of it. Not only did Weisberg find this is not the case, but he also discovered that where the sides of the shirt overlap, there is no blood at all:

This is less blood inside the collar band than on the outside of the fabric, not consistent with the
bloodstains coming from the body side. Where the sides of the shirt overlapped in wearing,
no blood. (Post Mortem, p. 347)

Weisberg also found evidence that confirmed the belief that the slits were made by the emergency room nurses as they cut away the president's clothing; he could see the zigzag mark of a cutting blade on the slits:

The dead giveaway of the fabrication that this is where the magical bullet must have exited,
according to the official story, is the nonmagical, mute evidence of the slit on the left side.
The irregular, zigzag mark of a cutting blade is visible with an engraver's lens no more powerful
than the 10-power miniature I carry. (Post Mortem, p. 347)

One of the nurses confirmed this to researcher Henry Hurt.

And, it bears repeating (1) the FBI found no metallic traces around the shirt slits, a clear indication that no bullet exited the throat, and (2) the released photos of JFK's tie prove there was no hole through the tie but only a small nick on the left edge of the knot, proving that no bullet exited the throat, since the tie knot was squarely centered between the shirt collar bands, so no bullet could have exited the slits without tearing through the tie.

All the bogus SBT animations in the world cannot overturn these facts.

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Good info!

The SBT functions like an IQ test...

It's all crap made up by Arlen Specter, the water boy for the Warren Commission...

[Jack Nessan]

A "cartoon"? You mean the computer-generated animation based on the laser-scanned digital replica of Dealey Plaza, based on every known photo and film of the shooting, and based on a photogrammetric match-moving analysis that enabled Knott's experts to identify the correct locations of Kennedy and Connally in the vehicle and in relation to the sixth-floor window frame by frame during the shooting?

You guys gushed over Dale Myers' "cartoon" (read: animation) that pretended to show the SBT was possible. You didn't dismiss it as a "cartoon."

I notice you said nothing about the fact that Dr. Piziali, who oversaw the Failure Analysis test, admitted that JFK's Z225 reaction proves he must have been hit at least four frames earlier, which destroys the silly lapel-flip SBT. Just never mind when your own experts refute your myths, right?

Obviously, you're never going to admit you're wrong about the SBT, because then you'd have to admit that more than one gunman fired at JFK.

MG--"Obviously, you're never going to admit you're wrong about the SBT, because then you'd have to admit that more than one gunman fired at JFK."

Obviously, you are never going to prove there even was a third shot. Without a third shot all this never-ending nonsense just evaporates and goes away. All the supposed experts and all your bizarre theories shrivel up and fade away. Sorry to be the one to have to explain it to you over and over but the SBT is the only answer. When are you going to finally admit there was only two shots and not three? Josiah sure thought so and wrote about it in Six Seconds in Dallas.

[Michael T. Griffith]

MG--"Obviously, you're never going to admit you're wrong about the SBT, because then you'd have to admit that more than one gunman fired at JFK."

Obviously, you are never going to prove there even was a third shot. Without a third shot all this never-ending nonsense just evaporates and goes away. All the supposed experts and all your bizarre theories shrivel up and fade away. Sorry to be the one to have to explain it to you over and over but the SBT is the only answer. When are you going to finally admit there was only two shots and not three? Josiah sure thought so and wrote about it in Six Seconds in Dallas.

I think this is preposterous. Consider:

-- There's the Tague wounding.

-- There's the shot that five witnesses saw strike the street early in the shooting.

-- There's the 7.65 mm shell that we now know was found in Dealey Plaza within a week after the shooting and placed in an FBI evidence envelope (FBI Field Office Dallas 89-43-1A-122).

-- There's the deformed bullet that a Navy chief petty officer found in the limousine and handed to Dr. James Young at the autopsy.

-- There's the bullet that struck the grass on the south side of Elm Street near a manhole cover, about 350 feet from the TSBD. The hole made by the bullet was even photographed, and the picture appeared in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on 11/23/63.

-- There's the bullet that stuck the middle of the sidewalk on the north side of Elm Street, creating a 4-inch long and 1/4-inch deep dug-out mark in the sidewalk. Dallas resident Eugene Aldredge saw the dug-out mark and assumed, logically enough, that the mark had surely been noticed by law enforcement officials and would be discussed in full in the Warren Commission's report. When he realized the mark apparently had been "overlooked," he immediately contacted the FBI and told them about it. Incredibly, the FBI said it could not be a bullet mark because it could not have come from the sixth-floor window!

-- There are the seven blur episodes in the Zapruder film.

-- There are reactions to at least six shots in the Zapruder film.

-- There are at least four gunshot impulses on the DPD dictabelt recording that was made during the assassination by a patrolman in Dealey Plaza with his mic left on.

For more info, see

"Extra Bullets and Missed Shots in Dealey Plaza"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WRwhDQ9HMydf5pICsHwgtkoNKw0YSO8T/view

"The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman in the JFK Assassination"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvdvH8gTqFgMn-2vTI5ppg_egWxRKg9U/view

"Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view

I present more evidence on the six shot reactions in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth that a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy.

[Jake Maxwell]

IQ Test (1 minute to complete):
The damage and wounds pictured below (12 in all) were caused by:

• One bullet

• Two bullets

• Three bullets

• More than three bullets

[Jack Nessan]

I think this is preposterous. Consider:

-- There's the Tague wounding.

-- There's the shot that five witnesses saw strike the street early in the shooting.

-- There's the 7.65 mm shell that we now know was found in Dealey Plaza within a week after the shooting and placed in an FBI evidence envelope (FBI Field Office Dallas 89-43-1A-122).

-- There's the deformed bullet that a Navy chief petty officer found in the limousine and handed to Dr. James Young at the autopsy.

-- There's the bullet that struck the grass on the south side of Elm Street near a manhole cover, about 350 feet from the TSBD. The hole made by the bullet was even photographed, and the picture appeared in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on 11/23/63.

-- There's the bullet that stuck the middle of the sidewalk on the north side of Elm Street, creating a 4-inch long and 1/4-inch deep dug-out mark in the sidewalk. Dallas resident Eugene Aldredge saw the dug-out mark and assumed, logically enough, that the mark had surely been noticed by law enforcement officials and would be discussed in full in the Warren Commission's report. When he realized the mark apparently had been "overlooked," he immediately contacted the FBI and told them about it. Incredibly, the FBI said it could not be a bullet mark because it could not have come from the sixth-floor window!

-- There are the seven blur episodes in the Zapruder film.

-- There are reactions to at least six shots in the Zapruder film.

-- There are at least four gunshot impulses on the DPD dictabelt recording that was made during the assassination by a patrolman in Dealey Plaza with his mic left on.

For more info, see

"Extra Bullets and Missed Shots in Dealey Plaza"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WRwhDQ9HMydf5pICsHwgtkoNKw0YSO8T/view

"The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman in the JFK Assassination"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvdvH8gTqFgMn-2vTI5ppg_egWxRKg9U/view

"Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view

I present more evidence on the six shot reactions in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth that a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy.

I think this is preposterous. Consider:

A whole lot of bluster, but the question is can you prove there was a third shot?
 
-- There's the Tague wounding.

Wounding? Really, wounding? He said this mark on his cheek occurred on the second shot if even then.
 
-- There's the shot that five witnesses saw strike the street early in the shooting.

In these statements all the shots are accounted for, three shots hit JFK and JBC, one shot hits the ground. Where is the shot that supposedly caused Tague's "wounding" in these statements?


-- There's the 7.65 mm shell that we now know was found in Dealey Plaza within a week after the shooting and placed in an FBI evidence envelope (FBI Field Office Dallas 89-43-1A-122).

So, there are no chain of custody or authenticity problems with this fantasy story, it just must be true. Thanks for laugh
 
-- There's the deformed bullet that a Navy chief petty officer found in the limousine and handed to Dr. James Young at the autopsy.


So, there are no chain of custody or authenticity problems also with this story, it just must be true. Again, thanks for laugh

 
-- There's the bullet that struck the grass on the south side of Elm Street near a manhole cover, about 350 feet from the TSBD. The hole made by the bullet was even photographed, and the picture appeared in the Fort Worth Star-Telegram on 11/23/63.

Hole? Proof of anything?

 
-- There's the bullet that stuck the middle of the sidewalk on the north side of Elm Street, creating a 4-inch long and 1/4-inch deep dug-out mark in the sidewalk. Dallas resident Eugene Aldredge saw the dug-out mark and assumed, logically enough, that the mark had surely been noticed by law enforcement officials and would be discussed in full in the Warren Commission's report. When he realized the mark apparently had been "overlooked," he immediately contacted the FBI and told them about it. Incredibly, the FBI said it could not be a bullet mark because it could not have come from the sixth-floor window!

Relate this to the assassination.
 
-- There are the seven blur episodes in the Zapruder film.

Zapruder is a two shot witness

 
-- There are reactions to at least six shots in the Zapruder film.

Given that Zapruder is a two shot witness, that would be really hard to believe.

 
-- There are at least four gunshot impulses on the DPD dictabelt recording that was made during the assassination by a patrolman in Dealey Plaza with his mic left on.


Already debunked a long time ago. Maybe you just haven’t heard.

 
For more info, see
 
"Extra Bullets and Missed Shots in Dealey Plaza"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1WRwhDQ9HMydf5pICsHwgtkoNKw0YSO8T/view
 
"The HSCA's Acoustical Evidence: Proof of a Second Gunman in the JFK Assassination"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1KvdvH8gTqFgMn-2vTI5ppg_egWxRKg9U/view
 
"Reactions to Six Shots in the Zapruder Film"
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1nnp3Vch_KMOB_qufAhlQOCLTTS9jqNV0/view
 
I present more evidence on the six shot reactions in my book A Comforting Lie: The Myth that a Lone Gunman Killed President Kennedy.
  [/b]

Give me a break. These works of fiction are a lot of things, but information is not one of them. Giving a title to drivel doesn’t make the drivel any more believable. 

The question has been answered. You have not proven there even was a third shot.

 
 

[Michael T. Griffith]

This discussion is surreal. SBT believers are still in denial about hard physical evidence that proves the SBT never happened: the front JFK shirt slits, the rear coat and shirt holes, and the tie.

There was a reason that the WC did not publish FBI Exhibit 60, the FBI crime lab photo of the front shirt slits, in the Commission's volumes. Anyone can see that the slits are below the collar band. Any bullet exiting the slits would have had to tear through the middle of the tie knot. No bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the tie knot and nicked the knot's left edge (and then magically readjusted its course to head toward Connally's right armpit).

There was also a reason that the WC did not publish usable photos of JFK's tie. Harold Weisberg obtained high-quality photos of both sides of the tie. The first thing he noticed was the stunning fact that there was no hole through the tie. There was a small nick on the tie knot's left edge, but no hole beneath the nick and no hole anywhere else in the tie. This proves that no bullet exited the throat, since the tie knot was about 1/2 inch in depth/thickness and was neatly centered between the ends of JFK's collar.

 

[Lance Payette]

This discussion is surreal. SBT believers are still in denial about hard physical evidence that proves the SBT never happened: the front JFK shirt slits, the rear coat and shirt holes, and the tie.

There was a reason that the WC did not publish FBI Exhibit 60, the FBI crime lab photo of the front shirt slits, in the Commission's volumes. Anyone can see that the slits are below the collar band. Any bullet exiting the slits would have had to tear though the middle of the tie knot. No bullet exiting the slits could have magically weaved around the body of the tie knot and nicked the knot's left edge (and then magically readjusted its course to head toward Connally's right armpit).

There was also a reason that the WC did not publish usable photos of JFK's tie. Harold Weisberg obtained high-quality photos of both sides of the tie. The first thing he noticed was the stunning fact that there was no hole through the tie. There was a small nick on the tie knot's left edge, but no hole beneath the nick and no hole anywhere else in the tie. This proves that no bullet exited the throat, since the tie knot was about 1/2 inch in depth/thickness and was neatly centered between the ends of JFK's collar.

You are talking about very specific forensic evidence. As I used to suggest to Sandy Larsen, take your theory to the Journal of Forensic Sciences, , https://www.aafs.org/journal-forensic-sciences, and see if it survives the peer-review process. It won't, but at least then you can write an article for Jim DiEugenio as to how even the Journal is in lockstep with the LN narrative.