If a CT could come to accept the "SBT," would he or she remain a CT?

[Tom Graves]

If a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist could come to accept the "Single Bullet Theory," would he or she remain a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist?

[Tim Nickerson]

If a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist could come to accept the "Single Bullet Theory," would he or she remain a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist?

Bob Harris accepted that JFK and Connally were struck by a single bullet. But he had the shot being fired from the 3rd floor of the Daltex building.

[Michael T. Griffith]

If a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist could come to accept the "Single Bullet Theory," would he or she remain a tinfoil-hat JFKA conspiracy theorist?

Those who accept the SBT are the ones who are wearing tinfoil hats. You need some kind of mind-altering hat to cause you to accept such a patently absurd and thoroughly refuted theory as the SBT.

The only forensic engineering and digital reconstruction firm that has analyzed the SBT trajectories, the prestigious Knott Laboratory, has proved the theory is impossible by proving that JFK and Connally were not aligned in a way that would make the proposed double hit feasible. The Knott SBT trajectory analysis dwarfs all previous analyses in sophistication and data volume. For those who have not heard about the Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis, here's a link about it:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

The man who supposedly received the final five SBT wounds, Gov. John Connally, categorically rejected the idea that he was hit before Z229 and chose Z234 as the moment of impact. Connally's surgeons, after reviewing Connally's actions frame by frame, concluded he was hit between Z234 and Z237.

The nurse who helped to treat Connally, Nurse Audrey Bell, said the bullet fragments recovered from Connally's wrist alone were far more than is missing from the alleged SBT bullet, CE 399. She handled the fragments after they were removed from the governor's wrist. She specified that the fragments were not merely "flakes of metal" but were identifiable pieces of metal 3 to 4 millimeters in length by 2 millimeters wide. This squares with the recollection of one of Connally's other surgeons, Dr. Robert Shaw, who also saw the fragments. Interviewed for the award-winning 1988 documentary Reasonable Doubt: The Single-Bullet Theory, Shaw said, "I am sure that the bullet that inflicted these wounds on Governor Connally was fragmented much more than this bullet [CE  399] shows."

No genuine wound ballistics test has duplicated CE 399's mythical performance, and there is no case documented in forensic literature where a bullet emerged with virtually all of its substance and with its lands and grooves intact after penetrating seven layers of human skin, penetrating 10 layers of fabric, and smashing two bones (one of them the hard distal radius bone).

The hard physical evidence of the JFK clothing holes alone refutes the SBT and proves the back wound was well below the throat wound. The photos of the front of JFK's shirt prove that the alleged exit hole in the shirt was actually two slits that were obviously below the level of the tie knot and were cut by a scalpel, which explains why there is no fabric missing from them.

The released photos of JFK's tie refute the SBT. They prove there was no hole through the tie knot but only a slight nick on the left edge, a nick almost certainly caused by one of the doctors or nurses who were hurriedly cutting away JFK's clothing. One of the nurses confirmed this to researcher Henry Hurt.

The first FBI lab reports on JFK's clothing noted that no metallic traces were found around the slits. Metallic traces were found around the holes in the back of JFK's coat and shirt, but not around the slits beneath the collar. The lab reports said that the holes in JFK's coat and shirt were submitted to both X-ray and spectrographic analysis, that metallic traces (copper) were found around the edges of the rear holes, and that no metallic traces were found in the fabric around the slits below the collar. That's because no bullet exited those slits.

We now know from ARRB-released autopsy files that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors were positively, absolutely, completely, totally certain that the back wound had no exit point, that they established this by extensive and repeated probing and even removed the chest organs to facilitate and fully observe the probing. Medical technicians could see the end of the probe pushing up against the stomach lining well below the throat wound. We know that the first draft of the autopsy report said the throat wound was caused by a fragment from a bullet that hit the head. 

We also now know, again thanks to ARRB-released files, that on the night of the autopsy, when Kennedy’s body was prepared for burial, the mortician noticed three tiny holes in JFK's right cheek. The holes had to be filled because embalming fluid was leaking from them. The most likely explanation for the holes is that they were made by tiny fragments of glass that were blown toward Kennedy when a bullet went through the front windshield. If they were not made by glass fragments, they must have been made by small bullet fragments that sprayed toward JFK's face when the bullet penetrated the windshield. Lone-gunman theorists have simply ignored this explosive revelation in the ARRB materials because their scenario has no way to explain those wounds.

The Zapruder film, as the HSCA's photographic evidence panel acknowledged to their credit, proves that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. The evidence of this hit is self-evident and undeniable, unless one is pathologically committed to believing in the SBT.

Scientific review of the NAA evidence has debunked the claim that NAA supports the SBT. It does not.

SBT peddlers have no rational explanation for JFK's dramatic shot reaction in Z226-232, when his upper body is suddenly jolted forward and his hands and elbows are flung upward and forward--and this is after he has already been clearly reacting to the Z186-190 shot. It is nothing short of astonishing that SBTers refuse to acknowledge these plainly visible facts.

And on and on and on we could go.

[Steve Barber]

Those who accept the SBT are the ones who are wearing tinfoil hats. You need some kind of mind-altering hat to cause you to accept such a patently absurd and thoroughly refuted theory as the SBT.

The only forensic engineering and digital reconstruction firm that has analyzed the SBT trajectories, the prestigious Knott Laboratory, has proved the theory is impossible by proving that JFK and Connally were not aligned in a way that would make the proposed double hit feasible. The Knott SBT trajectory analysis dwarfs all previous analyses in sophistication and data volume. For those who have not heard about the Knott Lab SBT trajectory analysis, here's a link about it:

https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/

The man who supposedly received the final five SBT wounds, Gov. John Connally, categorically rejected the idea that he was hit before Z229 and chose Z234 as the moment of impact. Connally's surgeons, after reviewing Connally's actions frame by frame, concluded he was hit between Z234 and Z237.

The nurse who helped to treat Connally, Nurse Audrey Bell, said the bullet fragments recovered from Connally's wrist alone were far more than is missing from the alleged SBT bullet, CE 399. She handled the fragments after they were removed the governor's wrist. She specified that the fragments were not merely "flakes of metal" but were identifiable pieces of metal 3 to 4 millimeters in length by 2 millimeters wide. This squares with the recollection of one of Connally's other surgeons, Dr. Robert Shaw, who also saw the fragments. Interviewed for the award-winning 1988 documentary Reasonable Doubt: The Single-Bullet Theory, Shaw said, "I am sure that the bullet that inflicted these wounds on Governor Connally was fragmented much more than this bullet [CE  399] shows."

No genuine wound ballistics test has duplicated CE 399's mythical performance, and there is no case documented in forensic literature where a bullet emerged with virtually all of its substance and with its lands and grooves intact after penetrating seven layers of human skin, penetrating 10 layers of fabric, and smashing two bones (one of them the hard distal radius bone).

The hard physical evidence of the JFK clothing holes alone refutes the SBT and proves the back wound was well below the throat wound. The photos of the front of JFK's shirt prove that the alleged exit hole in the shirt was actually two slits that were obviously below the level of the tie knot and were cut by a scalpel, which explains why there is no fabric missing from them.

The released photos of JFK's tie refute the SBT. They prove there was no hole through the tie knot but only a slight nick on the left edge, a nick almost certainly caused by one of the doctors or nurses who were hurriedly cutting away JFK's clothing. One of the nurses confirmed this to research Henry Hurt.

The first FBI lab reports on JFK's clothing noted that no metallic traces were found around the slits. Metallic traces were found around the holes in the back of JFK's coat and shirt, but not around the slits beneath the collar. The lab reports said that the holes in JFK's coat and shirt were submitted to both X-ray and spectrographic analysis, that metallic traces (copper) were found around the edges of the rear holes, and that no metallic traces were found in the fabric around the slits below the collar. That's because no bullet exited those slits.

We now know from ARRB-released autopsy files that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors were positively, absolutely, completely, totally certain that the back wound had no exit point, that they established this by extensive and repeated probing and even removed the chest organs to facilitate and fully observe the probing. Medical technicians could see the end of the probe pushing up against the stomach lining well below the throat wound. We know that the first draft of the autopsy report said the throat wound was caused by a fragment from a bullet that hit the head. 

We also now know, again thanks to ARRB-released files, that on the night of the autopsy, when Kennedy’s body was prepared for burial, the mortician noticed three tiny holes in JFK's right cheek. The holes had to be filled because embalming fluid was leaking from them. The most likely explanation for the holes is that they were made by tiny fragments of glass that were blown toward Kennedy when a bullet went through the front windshield. If they were not made by glass fragments, they must have been made by small bullet fragments that sprayed toward JFK's face when the bullet penetrated the windshield. Lone-gunman theorists have simply ignored this explosive revelation in the ARRB materials because their scenario has no way to explain those wounds.

The Zapruder film, as the HSCA's photographic evidence panel acknowledged to their credit, proves that JFK was hit at or just before Z190. The evidence of this hit is self-evident and undeniable, unless one is pathologically committed to believing in the SBT.

Scientific review of the NAA evidence has debunked the claim that NAA supports the SBT. It does not.

SBT peddlers have no rational explanation for JFK's dramatic shot reaction in Z226-232, when his upper body is suddenly jolted forward and his hands and elbows are flung upward and forward--and this is after he has already been clearly reacting to the Z186-190 shot. It is nothing short of astonishing that SBTers refuse to acknowledge these plainly visible facts.

And on and on and on we could go.

  So you accept the work of Cyril Wecht, I presume?  And in my opinion, anyone who supports the SLOPPY nonsense by Knotts is completely bonkers.

[Jake Maxwell]

The SBT actually functions like an IQ test...

7 wounds - breaking a rib, shattering a radius bone, leaving fragments in Connolly till his death... exiting near pristine... taking a somewhat circuitous path to do this?

It's all a contrived hoax to do exactly what Hoover wanted it to do... pin the dirty deed on one person, Oswald...

Who believes this sort of thing?

Yeah, it's an IQ test...

[Tom Graves]

The SBT actually functions like an IQ test...

Seven wounds - breaking a rib, shattering a radius bone, leaving fragments in Connolly till his death... exiting near pristine... taking a somewhat circuitous path to do this?

It's all a contrived hoax to do exactly what Hoover wanted it to do... pin the dirty deed on one person, Oswald...

Who believes this sort of thing?

"Near pristine" my you-know-what.

Regardless, that kind of bullet will penetrate 3 feet of pine board without being deformed.

Question: How many hard bones did CE-399 hit?

Answer: One, the radial bone in JBC's wrist.

Question: How did it hit it?

Answer: Twirling, near the rear-end, and at a velocity of about 1200 fps. That's why the nose is undamaged and why only the rear 1/3 of the bullet is flattened.

Do you think CE-399 was planted by the bad guys?

If so, why and how did they create such a strangely deformed bullet, Einstein?

[Tom Graves]

[...]

Griffith,

IIRC, you're on record saying 20 - 30 bad guys were involved, altogether, in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and ongoing!!!) cover up.

How many of those bad guys do you figure were involved in the creating, the planting, and the entering into evidence of CE-399?

And how did they create it, anyway?

You know, with the flattened rear 1/3 of the bullet, the extrusion of lead core out its base, and with no damage to its nose?

Did they fire it through a block of ballistics gel or . . . gasp . . . a human neck to get it to start tumbling before it hit something hard?

[Michael T. Griffith]

And in my opinion, anyone who supports the SLOPPY nonsense by Knotts is completely bonkers.

This comical statement is typical of the reaction of cultists when confronted with scientific evidence that destroys their fantasy.

Do you know anything about Knott Laboratory? It is a prestigious, respected forensic engineering and digital reconstruction firm that has worked on several high-profile cases. Pray tell, what exactly was "sloppy" about the 2023 Knott SBT trajectory analysis? The Knott analysis dwarfs all previous analyses in its sophistication and data volume. No other SBT analysis has used a digital replica of Dealey Plaza produced from a high-definition laser scan of Dealey Plaza that contained a point cloud of up to 2 million points per second, which enabled the analysis to accurately measure point-to-point anywhere in the scene.

With this digital replica of Dealey Plaza, Knott's forensic engineers were able to match images from the scene and the Zapruder film using photogrammetry. They modeled the presidential limousine using multiple photographs and established the correct dimensions of the vehicle. Through a process called match moving, they synced frames from the Zapruder film into the digital recreation of the scene. The match moving enabled the alignment of the digital models of Kennedy and Connally in the vehicle to establish their positions frame by frame throughout the incident.

Nothing like this had ever been done before. I should add that Knott's forensic engineers, to give every benefit of the doubt to the SBT, assumed the bullet came from the TSBD's sixth-floor window:

“With the ability to measure distances, locations and angles from the point cloud, we could
develop the exact trajectory between Oswald’s shooting position and points on each body,”
said Stanley Stoll, CEO & Principal Engineer of Knott Laboratory. “Our team tested bullet trajectories
using the two frames from the Zapruder film where the first shots occurred and the known entry
and exit points on Kennedy and Connally.”

Stoll continued, “The shooting position, bullet exit point on President Kennedy, and entry point on
Governor Connally should all be reasonably in line. When drawing this line from the sixth floor perch of
the Texas Book Depository to the positions of the two men and their entry/exit points, we found a significant
angle difference. This case is ongoing, but evidence strongly suggests there is more to the story in this
historic event. Modern science refutes the Warren Commission’s findings on the assassination of
President John F. Kennedy.”
(https://knottlab.com/blog/knott-lab-uses-forensic-science-to-refute-warren-commission-findings-on-jfk-assassination/)

I wonder if you guys are ever going to come to grips with the following facts, much less the Knott SBT trajectory analysis:

-- No metal traces were found around the front shirt slits, where the SBT bullet supposedly exited. Metallic traces were found around the holes in the back of JFK's coat and shirt, but none were found around the front shirt slits.

-- The released photos of the front shirt slits, which the WC suppressed, show for all to see that the slits were below the collar, hence below the tie knot.

-- The released photos of the tie prove there was no hole through the tie, only a small nick on the left edge of the tie. No wonder the WC did not release any photos of the back of the tie. They knew there was no hole through it.

-- The ARRB-released medical files include the disclosure that at the autopsy the morticians noticed three small wounds in JFK's right cheek. One of the morticians filled the holes because embalming fluid was leaking from them. We now know that a bullet penetrated the front windshield from the front, certainly blowing glass and metal particles toward JFK and causing those three small puncture wounds in his right cheek. The lone-gunman scenario has no way to explain those wounds.

-- The ARRB-released medical files also prove that on the night of the autopsy, the autopsy doctors were absolutely, positively, totally certain that the back wound had no exit point. They established this with prolonged probing, both with fingers and with medical probes, and even removed the chest organs and manipulated the body "every which way" to facilitate and observe the probing. Medical technicians could see the end of the probe pushing up against the lining of the chest cavity. We now know that the first draft of the autopsy report said nothing about the throat wound being an exit wound for the back wound.