Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being

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Offline Steve M. Galbraith

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Re: Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2025, 05:08:16 PM »
Your faith in the integrity of CIA agents is something that I don't have.

I simply don't accept Bringuier's word as proof that Joannides wasn't involved.

The burden is on you and Fred to explain why the CIA went out of their way to lie and obstruct investigations into the matter.
Well, you reject the evidence and here we are. How do we disprove this? What would you accept? What did the other DRE people in New Orleans say? It's not just Bringuier. But if they say Joannides gave them no orders then you'd reject that too. You not only have the CIA behind it, you have private individuals involved.

The burden is on the people making a claim, Jon. Whether the claim is Oswald alone shot JFK or there was a conspiracy. It's up to the people making the argument to support it not others to disprove it.
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Offline Jon Banks

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Re: Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being
« Reply #8 on: July 15, 2025, 05:11:30 PM »
The CIA gave the Joannaides' personnel file to the ARRB and the ARRB knew that Joannides was the case officer for the DRE and had worked with the HSCA. They released about 12 pages and said the rest was irrelevant. They were right.
There is really nothing here at all. No Oswald Operation. No nothing.

The CIA's rep for the ARRB admits that he was wrong about Joannides by the way. I can accept that he was misled by others.

From the Washington Post's article about the new docs:

Congress in 1994 created the Assassinations Records Review Board, which again tried to recover key documents from federal agencies, and again probed the CIA. The CIA responded with its memo about “Howard,” saying he didn’t exist.

“My memo was incorrect,” said J. Barry Harrelson, a former CIA official who wrote the memo. “But this wasn’t deliberate.” He said he wasn’t provided Joannides’s personnel file, but that it was provided to the review board. Morley said the review board received the file, but seeing no references to Oswald, didn’t realize its relevance. Harrelson said the release of the D.C. driver’s license notes was “the first time I’d seen it.”


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Harrelson’s memo also noted that progress reports on Joannides’s Miami operation were missing for the 17 months he was there
, which Morley said was another indicator that the anti-Castro program was secret even within the CIA.

The search for Howard began in the 1990s when Morley interviewed members of the Cuban group DRE, short for Directorio Revolucionario Estudiantil, or Student Revolutionary Directorate. Among them was Jose Antonio Lanuza, now 86, who told The Post that “Howard” dealt only with the DRE’s leader, Luis Fernandez Rocha, and Rocha would pass on direction from “Howard.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2025/07/14/cia-oswald-jfk-assassination-joannides/


^The last sentence is for Steve  :)
« Last Edit: July 15, 2025, 05:12:41 PM by Jon Banks »

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being
« Reply #9 on: July 15, 2025, 06:20:37 PM »

I simply don't accept Bringuier's word as proof that Joannides wasn't involved.

The burden is on you to prove that he was.

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« Reply #10 on: July 15, 2025, 07:02:05 PM »
The burden is on you to prove that he was.

See the newly declassified documents. The CIA has confirmed that Joannides was the handler for the DRE.

It has been all over the mainstream news media. Where have you been?

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being
« Reply #11 on: July 15, 2025, 10:55:48 PM »
See the newly declassified documents. The CIA has confirmed that Joannides was the handler for the DRE.

It has been all over the mainstream news media. Where have you been?

Sorry, but that just won't do. You're asking me to substantiate your claim.

As Steve Galbraith has pointed out,  Bringuier has repeatedly stated that he acted on his own and that he had no guidance from anyone. He says that he never met Joannides.  So,  where  in the documents that you refer to does it say that Joannides had a guiding hand in the operation of DRE in New Orleans?

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Re: Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being
« Reply #12 on: July 16, 2025, 12:58:51 AM »
Sorry, but that just won't do. You're asking me to substantiate your claim.

As Steve Galbraith has pointed out,  Bringuier has repeatedly stated that he acted on his own and that he had no guidance from anyone. He says that he never met Joannides.  So,  where  in the documents that you refer to does it say that Joannides had a guiding hand in the operation of DRE in New Orleans?

From the Washington Post:

“Howard” dealt only with the DRE’s leader, Luis Fernandez Rocha, and Rocha would pass on direction from “Howard.”

Joannides was "Howard"

It doesn't matter if Bringuier never met the DRE's CIA handler because Bringuier was not the person who called the shots in the organization. Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides.
« Last Edit: July 16, 2025, 01:01:42 AM by Jon Banks »

Offline Tim Nickerson

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Re: Jefferson Morley's Unbearable Lightness of Being
« Reply #13 on: July 16, 2025, 01:17:50 AM »
From the Washington Post:

“Howard” dealt only with the DRE’s leader, Luis Fernandez Rocha, and Rocha would pass on direction from “Howard.”

Joannides was "Howard"

It doesn't matter if Bringuier never met the DRE's CIA handler because Bringuier was not the person who called the shots in the organization. Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides.

Where does the Washington Post get that Rocha would pass on direction from "Howard"?

Where do you get that Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides?