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Jon Banks:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on July 15, 2025, 06:20:37 PM ---The burden is on you to prove that he was.
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See the newly declassified documents. The CIA has confirmed that Joannides was the handler for the DRE.
It has been all over the mainstream news media. Where have you been?
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Jon Banks on July 15, 2025, 07:02:05 PM ---See the newly declassified documents. The CIA has confirmed that Joannides was the handler for the DRE.
It has been all over the mainstream news media. Where have you been?
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Sorry, but that just won't do. You're asking me to substantiate your claim.
As Steve Galbraith has pointed out, Bringuier has repeatedly stated that he acted on his own and that he had no guidance from anyone. He says that he never met Joannides. So, where in the documents that you refer to does it say that Joannides had a guiding hand in the operation of DRE in New Orleans?
Jon Banks:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on July 15, 2025, 10:55:48 PM ---Sorry, but that just won't do. You're asking me to substantiate your claim.
As Steve Galbraith has pointed out, Bringuier has repeatedly stated that he acted on his own and that he had no guidance from anyone. He says that he never met Joannides. So, where in the documents that you refer to does it say that Joannides had a guiding hand in the operation of DRE in New Orleans?
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From the Washington Post:
“Howard” dealt only with the DRE’s leader, Luis Fernandez Rocha, and Rocha would pass on direction from “Howard.”
Joannides was "Howard"
It doesn't matter if Bringuier never met the DRE's CIA handler because Bringuier was not the person who called the shots in the organization. Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides.
Tim Nickerson:
--- Quote from: Jon Banks on July 16, 2025, 12:58:51 AM ---From the Washington Post:
“Howard” dealt only with the DRE’s leader, Luis Fernandez Rocha, and Rocha would pass on direction from “Howard.”
Joannides was "Howard"
It doesn't matter if Bringuier never met the DRE's CIA handler because Bringuier was not the person who called the shots in the organization. Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides.
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Where does the Washington Post get that Rocha would pass on direction from "Howard"?
Where do you get that Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides?
Jon Banks:
--- Quote from: Tim Nickerson on July 16, 2025, 01:17:50 AM ---Where does the Washington Post get that Rocha would pass on direction from "Howard"?
Where do you get that Rocha passed information about Oswald to Joannides?
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In the summer of 63' Carlos Bringuier notified the group's leaders in Miami about his confrontations with LHO. Rocha, the DRE's leader, reported to Howard/Joannides.
In the immediate aftermath of 11/22/63, Howard/Joannides approved the DRE's efforts to go to the Press with details about Oswald's pro-Castro activism in New Orleans:
--- Quote ---Lanuza, who was based in Miami at the time, said he gathered all the evidence he had about Oswald that Bringuier had forwarded to him (a Navy manual Oswald handed as proof of his credentials, the radio show recording and a handwritten letter by Oswald offering his services, which is now lost) to make the case to Luis Fernandez Rocha, the Directorate top secretary, that Oswald was an agent for Castro. Rocha, who is now deceased, contacted the organization’s CIA handler, a man named “Howard” whom researchers later identified as Joannides.
The CIA agent had one instruction: “Don’t give the press anything; wait an hour.”
“I did not wait for the hour. At exactly 50 minutes, I was sitting with two phones calling journalists,” Lanuza recalled.
“I left them a message saying: President John Kennedy was assassinated by a pro-Castro agent in the United States, a member of Fair Play for Cuba.
And I spent more than two hours on the phone.”
Other members of the Directorate repeated that message publicly at the time.
Morley has also advanced a version of this theory, but he told reporters last week that he believes Joannides may have used Oswald to undermine the work of Fair Play for Cuba. But whatever the nature of the CIA’s “operational interest in Oswald,” Morley said Thursday, “we don’t know. That’s why we need the documents.”
Read more at: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation-world/national/article270075417.html#storylink=cpy
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