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More Morley Nothingburgers On the Way

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Karl Kinaski:
Litwin:
--- Quote ---More Morley Nothingburgers on the way
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... it comes together with Freddie fries and an extra McAdamsburger.

Tom Graves:

--- Quote from: Karl Kinaski on July 11, 2025, 07:32:10 AM ---Litwin:  ... it comes together with Freddie fries and an extra McAdamsburger.

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Dear Karl,

The important thing is that you, like all JFKA conspiracy theorists, are full of beans.

Tell Alan Dale at the so-called Education Forum to tell John Newman that KGB officer Sergey Papushin (IJDECANTER / FLASH RUN), the guy who said Oswald was an agent for the Belarussian KGB, was discredited as a source in the Aleksandr Zhomov (PROLOGUE) false-defector case by former Soviet/East European Division Chief Milton Bearden in his book, The Main Enemy, and by one of the CIA analysts who helped uncover Aldrich Ames, Sandra Grimes, in her book, Circle of Treason.

-- Tom

Steve M. Galbraith:

--- Quote from: Jon Banks on July 10, 2025, 08:30:58 PM ---Amazing.

Honest question, should the CIA be held accountable (or not) for lying to investigators and obstructing investigations into JFK's murder?

Morley exposing the fact that the CIA lied on several occasions about facts related to the Kennedy assassination should be a huge scandal. But according to you, Morley is a bad guy for asking questions and attempting to clear up the historical records which are confusing due to intentional obstruction.

And I don't know where you get the idea that it's only the far-Left that wants accountability from our government. Lots of people who voted for Trump supported his promise to open the Esptein/JFK/MLK/RFK files.

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Nearly every time Morley's falsehoods and smears are exposed as being just that you use the "Don't you want to hold the government accountable?" response. Whenever Morley has said release this or release that we say, "Yes, release them. The AARB files, Joannides personnel files. Whatever. Release them all."

For the nth time, Jon, release these files. Harvey's files, Joannides files, whatever. No one here is saying otherwise. Hold the people accountable if it's *proven" they did wrong. But an allegation is not proof. 

Now do you want to please address the points that Fred and others have made about his reckless allegations? Or do you not care? What's amazing is that you ignore what Morley actually says, what he claims, not suspects, but claims people did, what document "X" or "Y" will show. He accuses people of murder, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, framing innocent men, and essentially treason.

And when his claims are found to have no basis, when the evidence he claims that will show this are produced and they don't show it, you don't seem to care or hold him accountable. Morley is often quoted in the media on the assassination, on these files; he's testified to Congress. He's not a obscure conspiracy researcher that nobody knows. If he was I wouldn't care what he says.

Many political Left conspiracists want to get the CIA (and now the MAGA Right too). Fine, in some cases they are correct about it, about exposing the abuses by them. But please stop using the assassination as an instrument to do so. Which, as I said above, is what I think Morley is now doing. You can't take the "good" Morley and excuse the "bad".

Tom Graves:

--- Quote from: Steve M. Galbraith on July 11, 2025, 09:47:15 PM ---Every time Morley's falsehoods and smears are exposed as being just that you use the "Don't you want to hold the government accountable?" dodge. Whenever Morley has said release this or release that we say, "Yes, release them. The AARB files, Joannides personnel files. Whatever. Release them all."

For the nth time, release Harvey's files. Joannides files. No one here is saying otherwise. There. Satisfied?

Now do you want to address the points that Fred and others have made about his allegations? Or do you not care? What's amazing is that you ignore what Morley says, what he claims people did, what document "X" or "Y" will show. He accuses people of murder, conspiracy, obstruction of justice, framing innocent men, and essentially treason.

And when his claims are found to have no basis, when the evidence he claims shows this are produced and they don't show it, you don't care.

We get it Jon: You leftwing conspiracists want to get the CIA. Fine, in some cases you are correct about it. But stop using the assassination as an instrument to do so.

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Far-Right Trump supporters are just as bad.

As I said somewhere earlier, one of Morley's main writers at JFK Facts (sic) is Chester "Chad" Nagle, Jr., a MAGAT if there ever was one.

Steve M. Galbraith:
Morley is not just saying: "We need a fuller historical understanding of events surrounding the assassination. About what the CIA was doing. Or possibly doing. There are hints that perhaps something worse happened. Acts of omission or acts of commission. Oswald may have been the target of some counter intelligence operation. Let's find out and hold people accountable."

That's fine. No one objects to that. Or should. If that's all that he was saying then I would march with him under his banner. But he is saying more than that and it's that more that's the problem.

He explicitly says this: "The CIA killed JFK and framed Oswald. And covered it up.  Angleton and Joannides and others committed treason. These documents will show it. That's why they are being held." Read Fred's posts or Tracy Parnell's. They quote him saying these things and more.

Then when the files are released and they don't show what he claims they would do, should we just shrug our shoulders and say "He means well"?

He's not just asking questions; he's giving answers too and making very serious claims. And when those answers are shown to have be wrong what should we do? Just give him a pass?

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