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Dan Rather's laughable account of what he thinks he saw in the Zapruder film
Jack Nessan:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 16, 2025, 04:17:19 PM ---The ability/willingness of WC apologists to ignore self-evident reality is amazing.
So now you are saying that Alvarez, an ardent WC defender, somehow missed the slowdown that you claim is visible in the current Zapruder film! He studied the film frame by frame for years before he detected the Z295-304 slowdown, but according to you he somehow "missed" the slowdown that you claim to see. You folks can't even agree on when your alternate slowdown occurs.
Look, nobody but you and some other WC apologists sees any noticeable slowdown in the Zapruder film when viewed at normal speed, which is the speed at which the witnesses would have seen the motorcade. Forty-plus witnesses would not have described your alleged slowdown as a stop or near-stop. Watch the Zapruder film at 0.75 speed and you still won't see a hint, a trace, of a slowdown, much less a stop. We all know it. But you guys can't admit it because you don't want to admit that the Zapruder film has been altered.
And I notice you've said nothing about the conflict between the Muchmore film and the Zapruder film on this point. In the Muchmore film, the limousine's brake lights come on for nine frames during the time period corresponding to Z311-319. However, no such event is seen in those Zapruder frames, not to mention the fact that several witnesses said the stop/marked slowdown occurred before JFK's head exploded.
Some witnesses specified that the stop/slowdown occurred right after the first shot, while others made it clear that the event occurred before Jackie began to crawl out of the back seat and onto the trunk.
If you put your foot on your brake pedal for half a second, your car is going to very visibly slow down. Officer James Cheney said that several officers told him the limo "stopped completely."
There may have been two stops/marked slowdowns. A number of witnesses said the car came to screeching/dramatic/sudden stop right after the head explosion. Some of them said the limo pulled over to the curb after the head explosion. We don't see any of this in the current Zapruder film either.
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=16241#relPageId=6
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It is absolutely mind boggling to know that you cannot watch a film and tell if the car in the film has slowed down. That it takes some supposed expert to explain it to you for you to realize it.
I bet it is a hoot and a half to actually ride in a car you are driving if the only way you know if the traffic around you is slowing down is if one of the passengers tells you the other cars are slowing down.
The fact you choose this subject to make some bizarre point about maybe the Zapruder film is altered when the Nix and Muchmore Film show the exact same sequence of events is unbelievable. Did they alter all three films?
Dan O'meara:
Davison synched the Zapruder and Nix films, demonstrating that there couldn't have been alteration of one without altering the other.
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWEXZyMJMtA
Royell Storing:
Any time I am looking at Main Player JFK Assassination Film(s), if I am NOT Seeing between the sprocket holes, the film gets an immediate DQ. We do Not even have the Original Nix Film, know where it is, where it might be, anything. And now we got some guy that wants to "sync up" an alleged COPY of the Nix Film with a "Copy" of the Current Zapruder Film that in no way matches the Zapruder Film that Dan Rather watched/described the very weekend of the assassination? Seriously?
Michael T. Griffith:
--- Quote from: Jack Nessan on July 17, 2025, 03:51:29 AM ---It is absolutely mind boggling to know that you cannot watch a film and tell if the car in the film has slowed down. That it takes some supposed expert to explain it to you for you to realize it.
I bet it is a hoot and a half to actually ride in a car you are driving if the only way you know if the traffic around you is slowing down is if one of the passengers tells you the other cars are slowing down.
The fact you choose this subject to make some bizarre point about maybe the Zapruder film is altered when the Nix and Muchmore Film show the exact same sequence of events is unbelievable. Did they alter all three films?
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It again seems that you simply do not really read replies before you reply to them.
What is mind boggling is the claim that a marked slowdown/near stop is observable in the current Zapruder film played at normal speed. You pretend to be stunned by my point that no such event is discernible in the current film, but you ignore the fact that the only slowdown that Dr. Luis Alvarez could find in the film is the Z295-304 slowdown, which he only detected via frame-by-frame analysis and measurement. And surely you know Alvarez was a devout WC defender.
I dare you to conduct a simple test of getting 10 ordinary people who are not JFK researchers, asking them to view the Zapruder film, and asking them if they see the limo slow down before Jackie starts to get on the trunk. I'd bet you my IRAs that not one of them would say they saw any slowdown before that point.
As I document in "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film," the Nix and Muchmore films do not show "the exact same sequence of events" as the Zapruder film. Again, the Muchmore film shows the limo's brake lights on for half a second at a time when the Zapruder shows nothing resembling the obvious slowdown that would occur from pressing the brake pedal for 9 frames. The Muchmore film also shows Brehm's son moving at a different speed than the Zapruder film shows him moving.
And the Nix film shows Agent Hill and Jackie in clearly different locations in relation to each other than does the Zapruder film, and no lame appeal to camera angles and distances can make explain that contradiction. The angles and locations would have had to be far more different to even hope to create such an "optical illusion," when in fact, as I've noted before, we see most of the same parts of the limo in the one film that we see in the other--this would not be the case if the cameras had been at drastically different angles and in markedly different positions in relation to the limo.
Tom Graves:
--- Quote from: Michael T. Griffith on July 17, 2025, 05:03:49 PM ---It again seems that you simply do not really read replies before you reply to them.
What is mind boggling is the claim that a marked slowdown/near stop is observable in the current Zapruder film played at normal speed. You pretend to be stunned by my point that no such event is discernible in the current film, but you ignore the fact that the only slowdown that Dr. Luis Alvarez could find in the film is the Z295-304 slowdown, which he only detected via frame-by-frame analysis and measurement. And surely you know Alvarez was a devout WC defender.
I dare you to conduct a simple test of getting 10 ordinary people who are not JFK researchers, asking them to view the Zapruder film, and asking them if they see the limo slow down before Jackie starts to get on the trunk. I'd bet you my IRAs that not one of them would say they saw any slowdown before that point.
As I document in "Evidence of Alteration in the Zapruder Film," the Nix and Muchmore films do not show "the exact same sequence of events" as the Zapruder film. Again, the Muchmore film shows the limo's brake lights on for half a second at a time when the Zapruder shows nothing resembling the obvious slowdown that would occur from pressing the brake pedal for 9 frames. The Muchmore film also shows Brehm's son moving at a different speed than the Zapruder film shows him moving.
And the Nix film shows Agent Hill and Jackie in clearly different locations in relation to each other than does the Zapruder film, and no lame appeal to camera angles and distances can make explain that contradiction. The angles and locations would have had to be far more different to even hope to create such an "optical illusion," when in fact, as I've noted before, we see most of the same parts of the limo in the one film that we see in the other--this would not be the case if the cameras had been at drastically different angles and in markedly different positions in relation to the limo.
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Griffith,
IIRC, you're on record saying you think (sic) 20 - 30 bad guys, altogether, participated in the planning, the "patsy-ing," the shooting, the getting-away, and the all-important (and ongoing!!!) cover up.
How many of those bad guys do you think (sic) were involved in the altering of the Zapruder film?
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